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Originally Posted by dsamani
(Post 1538541)
I just want what fits my needs within my budget.
I don't understand why so much time is spent on off-topic discussion. So when everyone here gives you the same answer and you argue with it, you're going to get uh, roughly treated. You came here seeking advice. You got it. Pretty standard knowledge on this forum that the two value/performance benchmarks for NA/NB suspensions are Bilsteins with DIY coilover sleeves, NB mounts and non OEM bumpstops or that frequently mentioned, higher priced motorsport level coilover. The stuff in between usually doesn't work any better than the OTS Bilstein and DIY coilover setup but costs a lot more. The stuff near the same price as that particular higher priced option also doesn't match it's performance. The higher priced option matches your performance goals exactly, but is more than you expected to need to spend. The DIY Bilstein is only a little bit below that performance target but hits the budget cap perfectly. You aren't the only smart Miata owner on this forum :) |
Originally Posted by borka
(Post 1537983)
BC makes good midrange coilovers, as well as FEAL, and MEISTER. All around $1000-1300 This is most of the popular miata suspension options. I personally only have experience with BC and I like them. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1538572)
Whether your choice of forums was accidental or by careful choice, you ended up on Miataturbo.net. We curate the advice and content here. If someone offers bad advice either by simply guessing or parroting some bad advice they read elsewhere, it's blown off the forum and they're given a warning. This rubs some folks the wrong way, 1st amendment and all that. The upside is that we usually know exactly what we are talking about. The advice given is from direct personal experience and often with a solid understanding of the problem at hand.
So when everyone here gives you the same answer and you argue with it, you're going to get uh, roughly treated. You came here seeking advice. You got it. Pretty standard knowledge on this forum that the two value/performance benchmarks for NA/NB suspensions are Bilsteins with DIY coilover sleeves, NB mounts and non OEM bumpstops or that frequently mentioned, higher priced motorsport level coilover. The stuff in between usually doesn't work any better than the OTS Bilstein and DIY coilover setup but costs a lot more. The stuff near the same price as that particular higher priced option also doesn't match isn't performance. The higher priced option matches your performance goals exactly, but is more than you expected to need to spend. The DIY Bilstein is only a little bit below that performance target but hits the budget cap perfectly. You aren't the only smart Miata owner on this forum :) I get ya, it's just incredibly irritating that very early in the discussion I said "this isn't an option", and everyone just continues presenting it as an option. Like seriously guys, if this was an option it would have been done, but cost is a limiting factor. I'm sure it's an awesome, GREAT option for the Miata, but $2000 is very out of scope for my project and I can't do it. DIY Bilstein Coils seem to be a much more attractive option with regards to my goals of both comfort and performance. |
I can't tell you how many people have said "It's not an option, it's out of budget" then after more research, learning, spending time, digging through the couches, and sometimes even after trying other options, Xida happens.
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Originally Posted by dsamani
(Post 1538601)
I get ya, it's just incredibly irritating that very early in the discussion I said "this isn't an option", and everyone just continues presenting it as an option. Like seriously guys, if this was an option it would have been done, but cost is a limiting factor. I'm sure it's an awesome, GREAT option for the Miata, but $2000 is very out of scope for my project and I can't do it. DIY Bilstein Coils seem to be a much more attractive option with regards to my goals of both comfort and performance.
Bilsteins are great, do it. It's the ONLY good option in the dollar range you're wanting to utilize. Make the choice, and if you don't want to keep talking about Xidas, then don't further the discussion. I have both setups on my cars. Both setups are great. If you want Bilsteins, get Bilsteins. Nobody is stopping you. |
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1538612)
Bilsteins are great, do it. It's the ONLY good option in the dollar range you're wanting to utilize.
Make the choice, and if you don't want to keep talking about Xidas, then don't further the discussion. I have both setups on my cars. Both setups are great. If you want Bilsteins, get Bilsteins. Nobody is stopping you. |
Lets put it this way.
I have Xidas on my NA turbo toy. I love them, wouldn't trade them ever. My friend has DIY Bilstiens (NA B8s I beleieve? Spec miata take offs) on his with 450/350 and no sway bars (they got bent in a crash and he never replaced them after he re-shelled). My NB is gonna get either stock shocks or bilstiens with 400/250 when I have to do the suspension. |
I also quite enjoy my DIY MSM billies built according to forum specs. I might have to move up on spring rate as I run more tire but I'm not close to being there yet.
I've been in a few cars with teins (ow) but never really been in a car with xida. Also op, save some money and get Honda bumstops. Spend that money elsewhere. I'd also b recommend trying to find take off shocks in good condition instead of buying new ones if you can. It makes things far more budget friendly. Spec miata equipment takes a beating but it's built for it. If you're going for a budget setup then try to do it to get the most bang for your buck. Doing the above might net you enough savings to run helper springs which is nice. |
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 1541119)
I also quite enjoy my DIY MSM billies built according to forum specs. I might have to move up on spring rate as I run more tire but I'm not close to being there yet.
I've been in a few cars with teins (ow) but never really been in a car with xida. Also op, save some money and get Honda bumstops. Spend that money elsewhere. I'd also b recommend trying to find take off shocks in good condition instead of buying new ones if you can. It makes things far more budget friendly. Spec miata equipment takes a beating but it's built for it. If you're going for a budget setup then try to do it to get the most bang for your buck. Doing the above might net you enough savings to run helper springs which is nice. Extended front top hats do help though. Just properly size your bumpstops. |
Originally Posted by andym
(Post 1541126)
Maybe I am doing something different than you guys. Maybe I am doing it wrong but with my 550/350 6 inch long springs and extended front and rear top hats with a ride height at 12.4 ish front 12.6 rear I do not have loose springs at all. Helpers likely wouldn't help me because my spring never comes unseated.
Extended front top hats do help though. Just properly size your bumpstops. NA track rat, semi stripped interior, heavy bits replaced with lighter bits, NA6 N/A, 15x8's, 150lb driver could easily hit 2150# MSM with 210 lb driver, 175lb passenger, soft top, hard top, roll bar, big intercooler, sound system upgrades, 15x10's can easily hit 2900# That's a 25% delta and why spring lengths sometimes need to be adjusted for the same ride height target. |
Basically Andy, you're fat. :giggle: <3
E, about time to update to .28! |
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1541133)
Basically Andy, you're fat. :giggle: <3
E, about time to update to .28! I could stand to lose a few pounds. |
I had this exact problem. I went the cheap route, then years later I got Xida gs. It's the right choice. You'll get comfort with performance. They can be dialed in for Cadillac soft ride or stiffer for performance. The only downside to the soft setting is that if you go around a corner hard with sticky tires, you'll get wheel hop. Soaks up enormous potholes like they aren't there. On full stiff it's still not jarring but is amazing compared to the alternatives.
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Your very first mistakes were implying you wanted Porsche handling and had the money to afford to do so. That is the thread you created and based on that you are getting the correct responses.
I started off looking at the typical Koni/lowering spring setup as I cannot stand the lack of quality my 94R currently provides. Then I was turned onto the DIY billies, now I have skipped that and am focused on the Xida. Reason being is that if I am spending my time and money, I might as well invest in the best possible base platform and build from there. I cannot blame my shitty driving on sub par suspension, so knowing that I can focus more on me and less on upgradatitus |
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