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Mobius 01-28-2015 01:23 PM

I have contributed to this.

shuiend 01-28-2015 01:39 PM

In for $5. I want pics of this gauge in BBundy's car on track.

Mobius 01-28-2015 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1200962)
In for $5. I want pics of this gauge in BBundy's car on track entering the braking zone at the end of the front straight.

Ftfy :) If it has to be an on-track shot, let's make it exciting.

Monk 01-28-2015 03:43 PM

Donated. This is why this is the best website on the internet.

aidandj 01-28-2015 03:45 PM

Halfway there. I don't think Bundy has even confirmed he would run these. If something falls through I'll make sure you all get your money back.

hi_im_sean 01-28-2015 03:55 PM

this is too funny

turbofan 01-28-2015 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1200998)
Halfway there. I don't think Bundy has even confirmed he would run these. If something falls through I'll make sure you all get your money back.

This.

If he confirms he'll run it I'll throw some money at it for sure.

Bob?

Erat 01-28-2015 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by revlimiter (Post 1200786)
Here. I had some free time and did a mockup of the dual scale gauge.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1422419709

You would LITERALLY not need anything else. Just pop a gauge in the cluster and let the stock speedo gear live a happy life in the transmission housing. Swap diffs at your leisure and just pay attention to the correct side of the gauge.


If the inside gauge is for the 3.9 and the outside gauge is for the 4.77 why does the numbers on the outside gauge go higher than the inside?

Did rev just do this quickly and is not the actual gauge to be used. Math-o-matics are still needing to be done?

Maybe i'm going full retard, a very real possibility.

aidandj 01-28-2015 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by Erat (Post 1201012)
If the inside gauge is for the 3.9 and the outside gauge is for the 4.77 why does the numbers on the outside gauge go higher than the inside?

Did rev just do this quickly and is not the actual gauge to be used. Math-o-matics are still needing to be done?

Maybe i'm going full retard, a very real possibility.

^^I think the maths might be wrong.

Mobius 01-28-2015 05:21 PM

Just mislabelled probably.

aidandj 01-28-2015 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1201028)
Higher diff = more revs .

So.

Where is the mathematical problem?

Speed sensor is on the trans. In 1:1 gear 2000 rpms = 34mph with 3.9s and 27 with 4.77. At redline (7500) 3.9 = 126mph, 4.77 = 103mph

revlimiter 01-28-2015 05:37 PM

I threw the gauge together in a half hour. Someone do some correct math and I'll make a new one. =)

turbofan 01-28-2015 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1201028)
Just mislabelled probably.

Nice ninja edit :giggle:

EO2K 01-28-2015 06:21 PM

Dangit! Why won't it take paypal?

bbundy 01-28-2015 07:22 PM

no ponies, Im patial to cats.

revlimiter 01-28-2015 08:22 PM

If someone sends me an MT cat logo, I'd put it in the gauge. adam at revlimiter dot net

Mobius 01-28-2015 08:24 PM

1 Attachment(s)
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1422494650

Mobius 01-28-2015 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1201054)
Nice ninja edit :giggle:

Yeah I figured out that I'd swapped the numbers mentally immediately but Aidan was too fast.

aidandj 01-28-2015 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by revlimiter (Post 1201080)
If someone sends me an MT cat logo, I'd put it in the gauge. adam at revlimiter dot net

Sent what I could find.

turbofan 01-31-2015 02:45 AM

So? Bob? What's the final gauge design?

revlimiter 02-02-2015 09:04 PM

1 Attachment(s)
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1422929077

Now with 100% more correct speed scale action and kung fu kitten grip.

aidandj 02-02-2015 09:08 PM

Halfway there, Bob do you approve of these gauges?

MG_Miata 02-02-2015 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1200923)
Scratch that, kickstarter takes too long. This is live now:

Pony Gauges For Bundy by Aidan Daly-Jensen - GoFundMe

Lololololololol goooooo, I just threw a $20 at it.

Edit: I kinda want one just for the lolz.

Girz0r 02-02-2015 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by revlimiter (Post 1202384)
Now with 100% more correct speed scale action and kung fu kitten grip.

Looks good ! :cool:

hi_im_sean 02-03-2015 11:34 AM

My vote is for the dog rainbow butterfly

Mobius 02-03-2015 12:56 PM

Dog? Where is there dog? That there is pure genuine 100% murrican rainbow kitten butterfly unicorn. I got papers and everything.

I like Rev's, from a functional standpoint, the mostly unicolor background is better.

Unless Rev could put actual rhinestones on the rainbow kitten and bejazzle it all up ... that would be pretty fabulous.

bbundy 02-03-2015 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by revlimiter (Post 1202384)
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1422929077

Now with 100% more correct speed scale action and kung fu kitten grip.

Needs to be blue. I got a blue theme going on my car. My current gage faces are blue indiglow where the face itself lights up switchable between green and blue and has a brightness knob. I put orange neon paint on the back side of the needles they light up nice and I have polished aluminum button covers for the needle centers. If Im changing them Ill want a full set so they match.

Also I think the primary scale with big numbers needs to be the 3.909. As I probably won't be looking at the speedo much while autocrossing. speed is more interesting to look at on the track.

which speedo driven gear tooth count is that set up for?

aidandj 02-03-2015 01:30 PM

I think it needs to have some bit of pink to be crowd funded my mt.net. How bout blue background with pink numbers?

EO2K 02-03-2015 01:33 PM

o lawd :rofl:

hi_im_sean 02-03-2015 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1202523)
Dog? Where is there dog? That there is pure genuine 100% murrican rainbow kitten butterfly unicorn. I got papers and everything.

I like Rev's, from a functional standpoint, the mostly unicolor background is better.

Unless Rev could put actual rhinestones on the rainbow kitten and bejazzle it all up ... that would be pretty fabulous.

Lol it looked like a dog when I glanced at it. Upon further inspection it is indeed a cat.

bbundy 02-03-2015 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1202588)
Freeway with 4.77 ugh. Cruising at 80 is 4700rpm.

My car gets driven on the street more in track mode than it does in autocross mode where it gets the clownish silly front splitter and wing.

bbundy 02-04-2015 09:10 PM

3 Attachment(s)
20T,21T,22T,23T, and 24T

with the 24t and 4.778 speedo will read optimistic by ~ 4-6 mph at highway speed I estimate. Not too terrible. I think 21T will work nicely with a 3.909. I was using a the 20T with a 3.636.

Cant seem to get a 21 or a 24t from Mazda got them from Chikara they came direct shipped from Maruha in Japan housing, seals, O-rings all assembled.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1423102303

MG_Miata 02-05-2015 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1203430)
d (when I'm not driving down the interstate using my laptop).

I see no problem with this...

mr_hyde 02-07-2015 01:15 AM

Outstanding research and solution Bob! My car has an OEM instrument cluster that I have gone to great lengths to keep stock looking. Matching boost gauge where the oil pressure goes, working oil pressure where the fuel goes, linearized water temp in OEM location and fuel gauge relocated to the eyeball vent to the left of the cluster. Lots of folks would just put an array of aftermarket gauges on the dash but sometimes it is nice to complete a pet project! :party:


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 1203090)
20T,21T,22T,23T, and 24T

with the 24t and 4.778 speedo will read optimistic by ~ 4-6 mph at highway speed I estimate. Not too terrible. I think 21T will work nicely with a 3.909. I was using a the 20T with a 3.636.

Cant seem to get a 21 or a 24t from Mazda got them from Chikara they came direct shipped from Maruha in Japan housing, seals, O-rings all assembled.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1423102303


curly 02-16-2015 11:00 AM

Ok, I think I've done a decent job of cleaning this thread up.

I left the talk of the dual speedo talk up, because it was a reasonable solution to Bob's original question, but I think all talk of buying funny gauges from Rev is gone.

If not, please MESSAGE me with suggested post #s that should be moved to this thread:

https://www.miataturbo.net/miata-par...onfetti-83110/

That's it.

Any more talk of gauges and your posts get deleted.

Carry on Bob!

EO2K 02-16-2015 12:27 PM

Curly, you da real MVP. Props :bigtu:

Bob, how are you dealing with the different drive gears inside the transmission? I was under the impression there were 2 standard "driven" gear diameters and they were not interchangeable. It appears from your pictures that may not be the case?

revlimiter 02-16-2015 05:40 PM

Props given! Thanks Curly.

brian129 03-14-2022 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 1190730)
I have several 3d plastic printers at work. I've considered it.

My research seems to indicate that M501-17-341A is the 7 tooth version of the M503-17-341A 6tooth drive gear that is use in the Miata. It is pared on an automatic 929 that also uses the same 20T drive gear M503-17-441 driven gear that I have been using with my 3.636 rear end so I think it will mesh with Miata compatible speedo gears and I’m hoping it is in fact 7 tooth. It is also used on a Mazda E2000 which is sort of a small delivery truck/van only sold in Asia where it gets pared with the 4.778 ring and pinion.

7 tooth drive gear. M501-17-341A
22 tooth driven gear M510-17-441A when using 4.778
18 tooth driven gear 3902-17-441A when using 3.909

I hope that’s what works. The M501-17-341A is on backorder however might take a while to get from Japan and of the three 18 tooth driven gear part numbers I found that is the only one that worked with Mazda motorsports parts list I hope it has the correct direction it is found on some b series trucks that use M part number drive gears. I’m hoping the M in the part number means the Miata direction but I am not sure of that even. its not too terribly expensive to find out the parts run between $13-$15. Way cheaper than gage faces or added electronics.

following up on this,

I have a 4.77 in an NA as well and would like to correct my speedo somewhat. It’s a trackcar so perfect isn’t needed.

I have seen a post from bbundy with a yellow gear from Maruha for a 4.6. This seems like a viable option, but I wonder with the advancement of 3d printing continually growing, could making the right 25 tooth gear be viable?

Has anyone tried printing one, or figured out the gear pitch and helix to correctly model?
Or is there another easy source? Maruha is good, but shipping from Japan will probably be slow.


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