Enkei PF01 15x8
Probably my next set of wheels:
Enkei Wheels 2009 | PF01 http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...pf01_large.jpg 15x8, +35 et. Hoping there's more caliper clearance than with 6UL, because Emilio's stuff doesn't fit what I want to do. Looks like there should be. |
Good luck fitting them on a miata... unless they are going on a different car.
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Not feeling the center cap, but I like it.
I want to upgrade to a 15x8. |
Originally Posted by Cococarbine3
(Post 496152)
Good luck fitting them on a miata... unless they are going on a different car.
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EDIT: nvm I'm blind.
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Originally Posted by turotufas
(Post 496153)
Not feeling the center cap, but I like it.
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If a 15x7 weighs 12lbs than what will the 15x8 weigh? Less than 12.4? Not different/light/cheap enough to knock out the 6UL IMO
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Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 496151)
Hoping there's more caliper clearance than with 6UL, because Emilio's stuff doesn't fit what I want to do. Looks like there should be.
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Nice looking wheels;)
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I wonder if they will fit over my Brembozzzz :giggle:
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 496171)
I have 6-pot Wilwood Dynapros on my car right now and they fit just fine. What in god's name are you trying to stuff under your car?
Dig the hardtop, BTW. |
Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 496280)
Number of pistons doesn't really affect wheel fit. Wilwood calipers tend to be pretty thin in section, with short pistons, thin pads and no dust boots. I'm planning an OE caliper with thicker pads, dust boots, and a thicker cross section for greater stiffness. Probably a 282mm rotor, a little smaller than 11.75 in., but thicker and lower-cost. It'll be cool.
Dig the hardtop, BTW. |
Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 496166)
If a 15x7 weighs 12lbs than what will the 15x8 weigh? Less than 12.4? Not different/light/cheap enough to knock out the 6UL IMO
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Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 496288)
There is a thread on miata.net where Emillio goes over how they make all their light weight wheels out of a 13" blank and add to the actual rim to get a bigger size. I doubt that what you have planned will work with this wheel.
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Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 496280)
Number of pistons doesn't really affect wheel fit. Wilwood calipers tend to be pretty thin in section, with short pistons, thin pads and no dust boots. I'm planning an OE caliper with thicker pads, dust boots, and a thicker cross section for greater stiffness. Probably a 282mm rotor, a little smaller than 11.75 in., but thicker and lower-cost. It'll be cool.
Dig the hardtop, BTW. That new wheel does look like it has really good brake clearance probably on par with Team Dynamics Pro Race 1's but If you really need it for that much brake you need a 9" wheel not an 8" Bob |
Originally Posted by Cococarbine3
(Post 496152)
Good luck fitting them on a miata... unless they are going on a different car.
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Originally Posted by miatamania
(Post 496618)
They show the 15x8 in 4x100...you smoke to much crack today or something?
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I agree they're really sexy. They better be cheaper than 6ULs though.
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Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 496421)
That new wheel does look like it has really good brake clearance probably on par with Team Dynamics Pro Race 1's but If you really need it for that much brake you need a 9" wheel not an 8"
Bob My idea of the ultimate Miata brake setup would cost more than $2000, using parts from Wilwood, Hawk, PFC, Earl's, plus some custom bits I'd have to get made, and would be challenging for wheel fit. Everything less than that is a compromise for lower cost. But I believe that what I'm doing will have lower initial cost than a Wilwood kit, as well as lower replacement parts cost, and deliver better performance. |
Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 496683)
My first setup with brakes will be my current wheels with whatever spacer I need, if any. I'll make a template and send it to my friends at Tire Rack to see what wheels they have that fit (which will include this one by then). Unfortunately, Emilio's template doesn't come close to clearing my caliper/rotor combo, so 9s are out.
My idea of the ultimate Miata brake setup would cost more than $2000, using parts from Wilwood, Hawk, PFC, Earl's, plus some custom bits I'd have to get made, and would be challenging for wheel fit. Everything less than that is a compromise for lower cost. But I believe that what I'm doing will have lower initial cost than a Wilwood kit, as well as lower replacement parts cost, and deliver better performance. I have cracked Corrado rotors on dynalight setups, even cracked rear rotors before, even killed new pads in a single day at the track. the setup I have now lasts many track days on the same set of pads. Having said that If I wanted to be fast I would ditch my brake setup to fit 9” wheels instead of 8” if I had to. The 9” are that much better. I tried them back to back and was significantly faster by more than a second on the 9” with the virtually identically worn 225 RA-1’s Bob |
Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 496708)
I have cracked Corrado rotors on dynalight setups, even cracked rear rotors before, even killed new pads in a single day at the track. the setup I have now lasts many track days on the same set of pads.
Bob |
So far, Enkei USA does not know what the wheels weigh. Their tack is to wait until the wheel actually arrive at the end of January so they can be weighed here. Enkei's marketing material states a goal of being lighter than the small inner diameter (~13") design RPF1 but that is impossible with a full inner diameter PF01. I'm guessing the 15x8 PF01 will weigh about what a 6UL weighs or a bit heavier, have similar brake clearance and cost about $50 more.
For our own 15x7 and 15x7.5 6UL in development, we have followed Enkei's idea of reducing brake clearance to lighten the wheel. My reasoning is that anybody that is truly running out brakes with a 15x7, should be running 15x8's or 15x9's anyway. So the bigger sizes get the BBK room.
Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 496151)
15x8, +35 et. Hoping there's more caliper clearance than with 6UL, because Emilio's stuff doesn't fit what I want to do. Looks like there should be.
15x8 6UL will clear a Wilwood Dynalite 4 piston on an 11" rotor (Goodwin BBK) 15x9 6UL will clear a Wilwood Dynapro 6 piston on an 11.75" rotor (V8R BBK) Bob's DP6/11.75" set up is a modified Mini set up IIRC, a bit more offset than the V8R probably.
Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 496288)
There is a thread on miata.net where Emillio goes over how they make all their light weight wheels out of a 13" blank and add to the actual rim to get a bigger size. I doubt that what you have planned will work with this wheel.
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Originally Posted by wayne_curr
(Post 496713)
That makes me really want to invest in brakes right there. It probably wouldn't take much time to add up the money spent on cracked rotors and burnt up pads to justify your investment. I'll likely be copying your setup someday. Most probably the next thing I do after upgrading my suspension/chassis rigidity. Not increasing my power any more until I have better brakes...
Bob |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 496874)
My reasoning is that anybody that is truly running out of brakes with a 15x7, should be running 15x8's or 15x9's anyway. So the bigger sizes get the BBK room.
As Bob mentioned, there is plenty of brake clearance with a 6UL. We designed that in from the beginning. I just went to your site to see if anything had changed, and it didn't appear to be any different. What you posted above suggests you're going to have different profiles in some new products. What's up? |
Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 497426)
Because Wilwood is kind of a standard in the markets your wheels serve, you designed for them, and excluded your product from being used by someone who wants to do better than typical Wilwood apps on brakes. At least that's the way I see it. I seem to be the only one with that opinion, though.
I designed the wheel to fit the largest existing Miata big brake kits that actually work, in this case the Goodwin BBK. The MPCA (Winner Pro), Baer, Brembo, Ksport kits for the Miata are all basically oversizes, underfunctioning street bling so I ignored them. Since then, some of us have found that the fastest Miatas do actually need 11.75 rotors and 6 pot calipers, so you can run spacers with 8's on a Miata or 9's without spacers. I have no plans to design a wheel around OEM cast steel calipers on oversize low offset rotors for the Miata, sorry. Regarding the narrower wheels, they just need to be light, they don't need the same brake clearance as the 8's. The guys that complain the 7's won't clear BBK's should be running 8's if they are genuinely in need of more braking. The remaning 99% of 15x7 buyers just want the lightest wheel that will fit their stock brakes. |
Burn.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 497440)
The MPCA (Winner Pro), Baer, Brembo, Ksport kits for the Miata are all basically oversized, underfunctioning street bling so I ignored them.
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 497440)
I have no plans to design a wheel around OEM cast steel calipers on oversize low offset rotors for the Miata, sorry.
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Why keep it a big secret? This thread is retarded everyone is just guessing to try to help you, why make a thread? I'm about to put you on the global ignore...
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Lots of 6UL jealousy in here. You peasants need to get wheels and be a man for the first time in your life. Now please excuse my while I spread Beluga caviar over my California Condor scrambled eggs and Brioche.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 497440)
Yup, you're the only one complaining that we didn't design enough custom OEM caliper/big rotor kit clearance into the 6UL.
Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 497505)
If that's the direction you think I'm going... :giggle:
Let us know if the PF01 works for your top secret DIY big rotor kit. |
FWIW, I know the OP and he knows brakes like few people I've ever met. Whatever brake package he's working up is likely to be comprehensively impressive, that much I know.
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Whats the actual weight of these? 13 lbs?
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Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 496280)
Number of pistons doesn't really affect wheel fit. Wilwood calipers tend to be pretty thin in section, with short pistons, thin pads and no dust boots. I'm planning an OE caliper with thicker pads, dust boots, and a thicker cross section for greater stiffness. Probably a 282mm rotor, a little smaller than 11.75 in., but thicker and lower-cost. It'll be cool.
Thin pads and short pistons ,go hand in hand. What OE caliper? Hopefully something AL :P |
Originally Posted by JKav
(Post 497651)
FWIW, I know the OP and he knows brakes like few people I've ever met. Whatever brake package he's working up is likely to be comprehensively impressive, that much I know.
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What OE caliper? Hopefully a Brembo atleast... Just to note, Nissan kicked Brembo to the curb for the latest round of Z/G four-piston calipers. Nissin, Sumitomo and Akebono all make nice OE stuff. The Brembo race stuff is nice, but too expensive for a Miata. My stuff will be cheap x good. And yes, I'm keeping it to myself until it's running. |
well, keep us posted Eli...
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I want to take a moment to let you guys know that all your stuff sucks and you're fags so I'm going to make something 10x better...but it's super secret so I can't talk about it. I also have a pretty sweet trophy rack that not only blows away your rack, but your mothers sit on one shelf, well their likenesses from a few years ago before the slampigs turned into leather bags.
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Originally Posted by Oscar
(Post 513477)
well, keep us posted Eli...
Uncanny resemblance, though. :rolleyes: Gotta wonder how many lead-acid batteries he's got stuffed into this EV conversion of his that none of the traditional big-brake kits are adequate... |
Originally Posted by Oscar
(Post 513477)
well, keep us posted Eli...
I've never been a big fan of solving problems that don't exist. You can design the best brakes in the world, but if you know anything about brakes (and I presume you do) then you also know that they don't make race cars faster. If your brakes are better than the current crop, but they don't fit under the best wheel and tire package, then it's an exercise in futility. Regardless, I look forward to seeing what you produce, even if there's no reasonable application for it. |
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Those are some pretty sweet 5ULs...
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Too bad the spokes on 15" look no where like the picture in OP.
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Thanks for posting those pics. Good to see how much pad there is at the center.
Some Enkei designs don't scale perfectly attractively down into 15-in. sizes. The RPF1 always looked a little goofy in 15, and the NT03+M isn't right in sizes smaller than 17. But then I don't think 15x7 TE37s look as good as the larger sizes, either. |
So they are .4lbs heavier than a 6UL, cost $260 more a set, look almost the same minus a tuning fork. Am I missing something? Why are these so cool, I know because a Miata vendor didn't take his time to make them.
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^ agreed. The thing that also gets me are the spokes protrude out pass the rim/face where in larger sizes, they look flushed/concaved toward the center.
Side note, just received my set of bronze 949 wheels. |
Originally Posted by gospeed81
(Post 536845)
Those are some pretty sweet 5ULs...
Its pretty badass to see that Emilio's work is getting the attention of the "Ehrenarier." |
Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 536911)
Thanks for posting those pics. Good to see how much pad there is at the center.
Some Enkei designs don't scale perfectly attractively down into 15-in. sizes. The RPF1 always looked a little goofy in 15, and the NT03+M isn't right in sizes smaller than 17. But then I don't think 15x7 TE37s look as good as the larger sizes, either. |
geez they look pretty poor....i dont think that 949 will lose too many sales to these.
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what a disappointment. lol at tireracks recommended tire size: 195/60/15
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For some reason, they aren't listing it for the Miata. I think the link above is for an '05 MINI Cooper (base model), so that's where the sizing comes from. It's a 24"-ish OD on the MINI.
It's a little annoying that the Rack's system is only loaded with one recommended tire size per car/diameter, but they do give you the option of choosing your own size if you know better, so the fact that you know enough to criticize it indicates it's not actually a problem for you. |
These TR Motorsports C3M's caught my eye the other day.... Pretty good for the price? No offset info on the webz yet. I could not even find a web site for the company??
http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheel...m_lg_ci3_l.jpg |
You were on the website for the company. TR = Tire Rack
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LOL! I'm dense.... Never thought about TR having thier own brand.
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I'm holding out for 949's newest shit. I been throwing out too much cash so I have to wait to buy anyways.
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Yea I'm not that guy.... ^^^^^^^^^^^
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Originally Posted by SolarYellow510
(Post 542021)
they do give you the option of choosing your own size if you know better, so the fact that you know enough to criticize it indicates it's not actually a problem for you.
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Originally Posted by rweatherford
(Post 542130)
Yea I'm not that guy.... ^^^^^^^^^^^
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Originally Posted by johnwag
(Post 542238)
I criticize it because the 195/60/15 + 15x8,9 stretched look seems to dominate clubroadster, as if TR recommended this just for them.
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