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chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
Don't tell me what to do.

Is that too feminist for u

m2cupcar 05-30-2018 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by chrisabidaoud (Post 1484353)
Please elaborate and explain to me how

back at ya-
Help out those who care about an inexpensive transmission upgrade. Fill in the costs below:

transmission:
transmission bell housing adapter/fix from the machinist:
transmission tail/rear support OR ppf adapter:
clutch disc that works with Miata pp/flywheel:
pilot bearing:
throwout and fork solution:
slave solution:
driveshaft:
shifter solution:

I think that should cover the swap...? :dunno:

Looks like you can go to car-part.com and pickup a TII or FD trans for ~$500 delivered. I just drove down to Mazmart and picked my 60k FD trans up for $385.

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar
back at ya-
Help out those who care about an inexpensive transmission upgrade. Fill in the costs below:

transmission:
transmission bell housing adapter/fix from the machinist:
transmission tail/rear support OR ppf adapter:
clutch disc that works with Miata pp/flywheel:
pilot bearing:
throwout and fork solution:
slave solution:
driveshaft:
shifter solution:

I think that should cover the swap...? :dunno:

Looks like you can go to car-part.com and pickup a TII or FD trans for ~$500 delivered. I just drove down to Mazmart and picked my 60k FD trans up for $385.

Got the transmission for 200 from a buddy of mine he gave me the throwout bearing he had bought new for it and the fork.
So far research says an nc clutch disk will fit, u can use miata pressure plate and flywheel.
Pilot bearing has to be spaced out just like the t2 swap but not sure how much, will know when i get it back and test fit it.
Driveshaft will be made by v8roadsters instead of the one they give with their rear end kit.
No ppf will be needed will make a cross member mount made out of stainless all u need is a bar about 2 feet max a 1 1/2 inch large.
U can use stock miata slave cylinder but as far as I remember will have to be mounted on the other side of the block? I have to double check that info.
As far as machinist, i bought a 5 speed for 150 took it to him with a spare 1.8 block that was assembled with flywheel. He will be taking the miata bellhousing and fit it on the fd. Advised me it wouldn't cost more than 400$

18psi 05-30-2018 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by chrisabidaoud (Post 1484493)
Got the transmission for 200 from a buddy of mine he gave me the throwout bearing he had bought new for it and the fork.
So far research says an nc clutch disk will fit, u can use miata pressure plate and flywheel.
Pilot bearing has to be spaced out just like the t2 swap but not sure how much, will know when i get it back and test fit it.
Driveshaft will be made by v8roadsters instead of the one they give with their rear end kit.
No ppf will be needed will make a cross member mount made out of stainless all u need is a bar about 2 feet max a 1 1/2 inch large.
U can use stock miata slave cylinder but as far as I remember will have to be mounted on the other side of the block? I have to double check that info.
As far as machinist, i bought a 5 speed for 150 took it to him with a spare 1.8 block that was assembled with flywheel. He will be taking the miata bellhousing and fit it on the fd. Advised me it wouldn't cost more than 400$

bless your heart. so young, so optimistic.
you gon learn

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi
bless your heart. so young, so ambitious.
you gon learn

Tell me what i am doing wrong and enlighten me to do it right

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 11:22 AM

Made a mistake the location for the slave will remain the same

themonkeyman 05-30-2018 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by chrisabidaoud (Post 1484497)
Tell me what i am doing wrong and enlighten me to do it right

Somewhere between 'most things' and 'everything.'

m2cupcar 05-30-2018 02:49 PM

You're not going to use a "cheap" stock NC clutch if you're making half the power you hope. A good disk will cost at least $150 new (with your connections). I think you'll find the opposite issue with the pilot bearing- the FD trans input shaft is longer the the TII. Don't forget to check the spline engagement on the clutch disk too. There's some critical measurements to consider in all this clutch/transmission stuff. That drive shaft is going to be at least $200. If you go with a trans support as planned, then you will have to do something for the diff/pinion. The slave actually mounts to the "bell housing", not the block. And they're on opposite sides, but since you're using the Miata "bell housing" it will be on the correct side. Which of course creates a new problem: what do with an FD throw out fork/bearing and a Miata slave. You'll have to figure out how to make the FD fork move like it did in the stock application using the Miata slave. More difficult than you think since clutch springs don't move much. There's probably some science figuring that out. Or luck. Curious to see the "bell housing" solution with the 5spd since it doesn't actually have a bell, but a front section with bearings and other good stuff. There's nothing overly simple or cheap about this.


Originally Posted by chrisabidaoud (Post 1484493)
Got the transmission for 200 from a buddy of mine he gave me the throwout bearing he had bought new for it and the fork.
So far research says an nc clutch disk will fit, u can use miata pressure plate and flywheel.
Pilot bearing has to be spaced out just like the t2 swap but not sure how much, will know when i get it back and test fit it.
Driveshaft will be made by v8roadsters instead of the one they give with their rear end kit.
No ppf will be needed will make a cross member mount made out of stainless all u need is a bar about 2 feet max a 1 1/2 inch large.
U can use stock miata slave cylinder but as far as I remember will have to be mounted on the other side of the block? I have to double check that info.
As far as machinist, i bought a 5 speed for 150 took it to him with a spare 1.8 block that was assembled with flywheel. He will be taking the miata bellhousing and fit it on the fd. Advised me it wouldn't cost more than 400$


18psi 05-30-2018 03:01 PM

he gon learn :)
or become a statistic like so many others

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar
You're not going to use a "cheap" stock NC clutch if you're making half the power you hope. A good disk will cost at least $150 new (with your connections). I think you'll find the opposite issue with the pilot bearing- the FD trans input shaft is longer the the TII. Don't forget to check the spline engagement on the clutch disk too. There's some critical measurements to consider in all this clutch/transmission stuff. That drive shaft is going to be at least $200. If you go with a trans support as planned, then you will have to do something for the diff/pinion. The slave actually mounts to the "bell housing", not the block. And they're on opposite sides, but since you're using the Miata "bell housing" it will be on the correct side. Which of course creates a new problem: what do with an FD throw out fork/bearing and a Miata slave. You'll have to figure out how to make the FD fork move like it did in the stock application using the Miata slave. More difficult than you think since clutch springs don't move much. There's probably some science figuring that out. Or luck. Curious to see the "bell housing" solution with the 5spd since it doesn't actually have a bell, but a front section with bearings and other good stuff. There's nothing overly simple or cheap about this.

I m not using a stock nc clutch i m going to be using an act 6 puck disc or what they recommend for my power level, it uses similar spline engagements as the fd.
Machinist job to make sure the fd tranny fits my block and flywheel at a 100%. He will cut out the front section of the 5 speed and weld it on the fd bellhousing i m sure u understood what i meant.
I did say the slave will stay in the right position, and i think i can use the miata fork after some slight modifications to fit the application if i cant use the fd fork. Driveshaft price is already covered with the v8roadsters kit all i need is to send them measurements when i get everything bolted on.
I will try to get pics of it as soon as i get it back from the machinist, he promised me it will be ready this week

concealer404 05-30-2018 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by chrisabidaoud (Post 1484540)
I m not using a stock nc clutch i m going to be using an act 6 puck disc or what they recommend for my power level, it uses similar spline engagements as the fd.
Machinist job to make sure the fd tranny fits my block and flywheel at a 100%. He will cut out the front section of the 5 speed and weld it on the fd bellhousing i m sure u understood what i meant.
I did say the slave will stay in the right position, and i think i can use the miata fork after some slight modifications to fit the application if i cant use the fd fork. Driveshaft price is already covered with the v8roadsters kit all i need is to send them measurements when i get everything bolted on.
I will try to get pics of it as soon as i get it back from the machinist, he promised me it will be ready this week

Oh super. That'll work great then.

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404
Oh super. That'll work great then.

So a miata flywheel and pressure plate will fit it no problem that is where u can save money, it is essentially close to a t2 swap

concealer404 05-30-2018 03:32 PM

I know when i look for things that allow me to bolt parts together that transmit power, i like to look for similar splines. Doesn't have to be the same. Similar is good.

18psi 05-30-2018 03:33 PM

:laugh: using terms like "similar" and "close" when talking about mm tolerances of parts that have zero room for error

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 03:35 PM

You guys new what i meant, i wish there is an edit button and say "same" instead of similar.
I speak 4 languages so excuse me if my english vocab is a bit weak

concealer404 05-30-2018 03:37 PM

Oh shit NOW i'm impressed.

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404
Oh shit NOW i'm impressed.

Cool care less what u think lol

concealer404 05-30-2018 03:42 PM

How much less could you care?

hi_im_sean 05-30-2018 03:55 PM

Also in for how much less.

Having an edit button available has been a long running complaint here on this foru..... wait.

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 04:00 PM

Could*

concealer404 05-30-2018 04:06 PM

Yeah i got that. It's cool. So how much less could you care? Inquiring minds need to know.

wackbards 05-30-2018 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1484556)
Yeah i got that. It's cool. So how much less could you care? Inquiring minds need to know.

Personally I could care 2 or similar mm less.

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404
Yeah i got that. It's cool. So how much less could you care? Inquiring minds need to know.

Could care as less than 0.01"

concealer404 05-30-2018 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by chrisabidaoud (Post 1484558)
Could care as less than 0.01"

Now you're just not making sense.

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404
Now you're just not making sense.

You finally got somewhere

hi_im_sean 05-30-2018 04:33 PM

Just say it out loud to yourself: "I could care less".

Then think about what that means.

Then think about what you meant.

We'll be waiting right here when you figure it out.

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
Just say it out loud to yourself: "I could care less".

Then think about what that means.

Then think about what you meant.

We'll be waiting right here when you figure it out.

Too much work, u can try to think about it but try not kill yourself

hi_im_sean 05-30-2018 04:36 PM

No need. You're the only one confused.

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean
No need. You're the only one confused.

Not really, i have a plan....
U came here not knowing what to say and with irrelevant comments not related to the topic, so i m pretty sure we both know who is confused here

sixshooter 05-30-2018 05:06 PM


Monk 05-30-2018 05:36 PM

Normally, I'd jump in on the train, but I actually want to see you do this.
Make no mistake, it's a bad idea, and anyone reading this in the future should be clear on that.
That being said, you seem to have some concept of how it should go together, so good luck.

m2cupcar 05-30-2018 05:36 PM

I think your machinist could sell those bell housings at $400 each for easy/cheap transmission swap/upgrade. Or is that your connection price? Either way that would make it a bolt-in upgrade for cheap (except for all the other stuff).

hi_im_sean 05-30-2018 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1484579)


Is the basist/lead wearing a vagina hat?

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar
I think your machinist could sell those bell housings at $400 each for easy/cheap transmission swap/upgrade. Or is that your connection price? Either way that would make it a bolt-in upgrade for cheap (except for all the other stuff).

That is the connection price but will ask him when it is done and i m sure at a 100% there are no mistakes if he is willing to do that. Pretty sure he would ask for a bulk order to see how it works out for him

chrisabidaoud 05-30-2018 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Monk
Normally, I'd jump in on the train, but I actually want to see you do this.
Make no mistake, it's a bad idea, and anyone reading this in the future should be clear on that.
That being said, you seem to have some concept of how it should go together, so good luck.

I will be extra cautious.

sixshooter 05-30-2018 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1484590)
Is the basist/lead wearing a vagina hat?

I'm not sure

sixshooter 05-30-2018 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1484590)
Is the basist/lead wearing a vagina hat?

I'm not sure

m2cupcar 05-30-2018 08:02 PM

for reference:
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...248db6bc81.jpg

I used the insert button to post this image

90LowNSlo 05-31-2018 12:08 AM

after i read this all through how am i then one that ended up with neg cats? :cry:


This thread though is a pretty typical internet interaction.

IBTL :lockd:

chrisabidaoud 05-31-2018 07:30 AM

It is okay i can take the hate, but we ll see when the transmission is finished i ll make a nice list and upload some pics

sixshooter 05-31-2018 07:42 AM

1 Attachment(s)
I thought it was more like this (picture taken in my yard):

m2cupcar 05-31-2018 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1484655)
flowers

That's the fantasy. I followed concealer's lead and went with vegetables.


Originally Posted by 90LowNSlo (Post 1484636)
This thread though is a pretty typical internet interaction.

​​​​​​​I think most of the posts here are founded in skepticism. OP wasn't very specific about a plan or costs.

sixshooter 05-31-2018 08:47 AM

We don't close or lock threads here. If there's a problem with a thread we just ban the individual responsible.

https://rlv.zcache.com/team_vagina_t..._8byvr_540.jpg

hi_im_sean 05-31-2018 10:20 AM

I honestly want to see him finish this. I for one applaud the gauge of OPs skin.

But seriously, the hat looks like some sort of feminist statment, like its intentionally modeled after majora and minora.

90LowNSlo 05-31-2018 08:11 PM

I want to see it happen too, and might as well get a few laughs in along the way. I hate it though when I'm reading through an older build thread just to get to the end and see it fall off the face of the earth.

And either way, make it or break it, it will add to the knowledge base (without using any of my money :p).

chrisabidaoud 05-31-2018 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by 90LowNSlo
I want to see it happen too, and might as well get a few laughs in along the way. I hate it though when I'm reading through an older build thread just to get to the end and see it fall off the face of the earth.

And either way, make it or break it, it will add to the knowledge base (without using any of my money :p).

well it wont go anywhere, i m getting it this weekend and i ll try to mock it up on the car hopefully if i got some time.

m2cupcar 06-07-2018 09:42 AM

In for ripper vids! :skid:

concealer404 06-07-2018 10:13 AM

Is it done yet?

chrisabidaoud 06-07-2018 10:16 AM

Nope haven't had time to go pick it up yet been busy with work. Might see if someone can pick it up for me

90LowNSlo 09-16-2018 09:43 PM

:wavey:

(updates?)

concealer404 09-17-2018 09:46 AM

I bet this has been done for at least 3 months.

m2cupcar 09-17-2018 09:59 AM

I bet there are kits in production.

Leafy 09-17-2018 10:14 PM

I bet hes pissed he wasted $400 destroying a transmission he could have sold for $500.


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