Too fast for the street is exactly what I worry about. Talk about fun killer.

I had some VMaxx Extreme Sports on order, but I ordered them in early August and FM still didn't have them in October, so I got impatient.


It's a different kind of fun. I still have it set up pretty loose, I have the FM sways, the front is weak and the rear is medium, which leaves you with a pretty tail-happy car for the street. After driving it a bit more, the car definitely still has the great feedback that the stock suspension provides, it just does everything at a 20% higher speed. At speeds that used to be 'interesting' it now turns like it's on rails. As far as ride quality, the only time I actually remember I am driving a track-worthy stiffened springs is when I hit a REAL bump, otherwise I don't even notice anymore.

My friend has Toykios on his NA (though I don't know what springs he has) and I still feel like I am going to throw up every time I ride in his car. The ride quality really is that much better.


Bottom line: with $60 195/15 all-seasons and <20 degree weather, I still have trouble reaching the limits on the street. Can't wait until it warms up and I can get it to a track. If only those grandpas in front of me would get the fuck out the way I could have some fun.

I know the kind of fun impossible to get to the limits reasonably on the street is. Just trying to avoid that. Ended up with 88$ summer tires in 185 width... hearing this makes me wish I went with 175 width all seasons so I could get XIDAs. :vash:

if an extra $10 a corner limits you from getting xidas...

Your name must be Scott.

Actually $1 would stop him. 10 is just makin it rain

Huh?

You inferred that had you bought 175 all-seasons instead of 185 all-seasons, you would be able to afford Xida's. That's $10/tire.

No, I was talking about grip levels. That's what the whole discussion was about.

XIDAs adding grip so that street fun is impossible.

Summer tires and wider tires grip more.

Narrower tires and all seasons grip less.

The 175's are actually more expensive.

And I said I bought 185 summer tires. o.O

bah, you can get rock-hard tires in just about any size :)
we had minivan tires on our 914 and you could break the rear end loose at like 20 mph :giggle:

I think Hustler runs (or used to) 185 minivan tires on his dd. Might have to look into it and get some 9" wheels for the track.

So you guys are saying that less grip is better and Xidas with bicycle tires would be more awesome than Xidas with Hoosiers? I just want to make sure I understand...

Yep, just that. :party:

Do whatever you want, just put the Xidas down and step away.

I said the day I got TEIN Flex that "I dont know why anyone would spend so much money, these are fine!" then my friend Andrew says "do yourself a favor, don't ever drive a car with XIDAs, or you'll hate yourself for wasting your money..."

needless to say I hate myself for wasting the money. XIDAs rock!

I run 205 Toyo Extensa on the daily.

What makes Xidas great is how the suck-up the bumps. Stiffer springs, less compression force and a rebound curve that dumps force is what makes them both have comfy and more grippy. Look at a Grand Am DDP curves.

Is that a male enhancement tire?

Jimmy Johnson hooked me up.

Better him than Dick Trickle

Ordering my Xidas next week with 600/250 springs. man I cant wait to see if they live up to the hype