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Nagase 09-11-2015 09:50 PM

Flywheel with a lower MoI than the Fidanza 1.6?
 
My twin disk is already dead, and the organic disks I bought aren't being made anymore...

So I'm looking for almost as good, and the 1.6 Fidenza isn't even close, but it's the lightest I know of. Any better options?

(tuned 2001, naturally asperated, no concern about torque, planning on a 1.6 ACT XTSS, mainly street, yes I want it as light as possible)

Dustin1824 09-12-2015 12:28 PM

Is it the retired 949 organic twin that died on you?

Supposedly the clutch was designed for super long life in a high HP car.

Try out their twin ceramic?

Arca_ex 09-12-2015 01:30 PM

You're not going to come close to that no matter what. The huge MOI reduction comes mainly from how light the clutch is since it is an aluminum pressure plate and the reduced size.

Mazdaspeed Motorsports has like a 7lbs steel flywheel but it uses a 5.5" diameter Quartermaster twin disk clutch that weighs less than 6lbs.

Or just buy the cera metallic replacement discs for what you have?

Nagase 09-12-2015 08:04 PM

I'm aware nothing will come close to what I have. I've had both setups before.

The ceramic replacements, I don't see how they're not going to cause me issues on my daily driver. I bought the setup for the organics, now that they're in need of replacement, they're not around anymore. :/

concealer404 09-12-2015 08:12 PM

I don't know of any lighter than the 1.6 Fidanza.

OneTwo 09-12-2015 11:36 PM

I have heard that their are places can resurface your clutch discs. :dunno:

I think I might have read that big rig or industrial truck shops can do it?

I have a badly heat spotted clutch masters twin disc that came in a car I parted out and I was pointed in that direction. Worth a shot to try calling them.

Arca_ex 09-13-2015 01:38 AM


Originally Posted by OneTwo (Post 1265855)
I have heard that their are places can resurface your clutch discs. :dunno:

I think I might have read that big rig or industrial truck shops can do it?

I have a badly heat spotted clutch masters twin disc that came in a car I parted out and I was pointed in that direction. Worth a shot to try calling them.

Lol that is not how clutch discs work at all...

SchmoozerJoe 09-13-2015 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by Arca_ex (Post 1265865)
Lol that is not how clutch discs work at all...

Call Rebello Racing. They used to rivet clutch material on their own custom disks back in the 90's.

:hatecat:

Arca_ex 09-13-2015 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by SchmoozerJoe (Post 1265881)
Call Rebello Racing. They used to rivet clutch material on their own custom disks back in the 90's.

:hatecat:

Resurface =/= replace friction material.

:hatecat:

nitrodann 09-13-2015 05:59 AM

Relax, semantics.

OneTwo 09-13-2015 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Arca_ex (Post 1265883)
Resurface =/= replace friction material.

:hatecat:

:giggle:

Savington 09-15-2015 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by SchmoozerJoe (Post 1265881)
Call Rebello Racing. They used to rivet clutch material on their own custom disks back in the 90's.

You can't just rivet. You must bond the material as well, and nobody does that anymore. Hence the lack of discs for the clutch.

It's also worth mentioning that I wouldn't let Rebello touch my lawn mower engine.

SchmoozerJoe 09-15-2015 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1266939)
It's also worth mentioning that I wouldn't let Rebello touch my lawn mower engine.

Well, it's not for my Miata. ;)

Nagase 09-15-2015 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by SchmoozerJoe (Post 1266951)
Well, it's not for my Miata. ;)

So you're saying you give terrible advice? Noted.

concealer404 09-16-2015 09:04 AM

Oh puh-lease.

It's a valid option. Whether or not you want to deal with Rebello is up to you.

y8s 09-16-2015 10:09 AM

I had discs made at clutchnet. Oleg was the dude who reluctantly did it a few times.

If you want a cheap option, I have a Fidanza/Tilton setup you can have for very cheap, but it requires modifications to work properly.

Still, after putting tens of thousands of miles on twin plates on the street, I wouldn't do it again (hur dur).

SchmoozerJoe 09-16-2015 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by Nagase (Post 1266957)
So you're saying you give terrible advice? Noted.

I've seen too much crap from Rebello twenty years ago to touch anything of their's with a 10' pole.
But, they're still around. And they've got lots of fans.

If you're asking what I'd do... I'd grab a set of replacement ceramic disks and deal with it.
It seems like you're going from champagne to Four Loko in your clutch selection. But again. Not my Miata.

concealer404 09-16-2015 05:25 PM

Can we talk about Four Loko vs. Joose?

Savington 09-16-2015 06:00 PM

Erin, the only flywheel with a lower MOI might be the SuperMiata 1.6 flywheel at 7.8lbs. I've seen the Fidanza quoted at both 7lbs and 8lbs, so the SPM 1.6 part may or may not be lighter. You probably won't do any better than that.

The other option is ceramic discs, which are not street friendly. Neither option is going to make you perfectly happy, but those are the options you have.

OneTwo 09-16-2015 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1267271)
Can we talk about Four Loko vs. Joose?

Four Loko =/= Joose

Actually I think it might.....


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