HP+ pads on Dynalite calipers
 

Who runs HP+ pads on the street in their Dynalite calipers? The BP-10 pads do not cut it anymore now that I have gone turbo and am looking for better street pads. I have the DTC-60 for track so I am pretty much set on HAWK pads.

I had HP+'s on my Jetta a few years ago and they made the worst noise I have ever had, even comprared to full race pads I have used. I don't want to end up with that squeel again. Some occasional squeeking and dusting is fine.

I wish they made the HPS pads for the 7112 dynalite configuration, I love them in my other cars (for street).

I've street/ Auto-x driven on hp+ pads before. The performance is good for autocross, operating temp range is quite low, so they work well on the street. They tend to dust quite allot, if that bothers you avoid them. As far as hawks go, they seem to be the most streetable compound available in the hb100 shape.

Link to them on our sight Search results for: 'hb100'

We've got the hb100 pads in HP+ in stock.

Mine still squealed, I'm not sure they're the pad for you...

What are the dtc-60s like on the street?

I haven't tried the dtc-60 on the street, I though they eat rotors on the street. I don't mind some wheel. The squeel I had on my jetta was every time I hit the brakes. Sounded like I was running around on worn brakes.

I run porterfield r4s for street pads and i like them because >ZERO< squeal

decent amount amount of dust, tho. and no sparks

$64, too
Brakes, Safety Gear, Suspension for Street and Track - LPI Racing.

HP+ = Dust, Squeal, and Stopping Power

I don't care about the dust, I am painting the wheels gunmetal gray in any case.

If I run R4S pads or other manufacturer pads, do I need to resurface my rotors or run a seperate set of rotors when I use the DTC-60's for track use.

I used to run HPS street pads and rotors with Carbotech XP-10 track pads and rotors. I would much rather just swap out pads for a track day than the whole rotor and pad swapout.

Does anyone have a set of HP+ pads with a little life left in them that I can get for cheap and try out? I hate to buy a $60 set of pads and hate them! AGAIN!

DTCs are aggressive enough to not give a fuck about existing transfer layers and will chomp right through them. You might even get sparks if you're lucky.

Your heading the opposite way on those. the dtc line is all race oly pads.

I can get you the PFC.10 compound for the 7752 pad shape. It retails for 54 bucks and has a higher temp range then a hawk hp+. It's a compound made for police vehicles, PFC will take them back if they dust and squeal. only problem is we don't have them in stock, so it's a special order.

I know, but if I'm going to live with a squeal, I'd like good track performance too. HP+ don't do that.

If the BP-10s aren't enough, did you try the BP-20s? I use them for street/autox and am reasonably happy with them.

--Ian

The DTC-60's I have are for track use only. I don't need a dual duty pad. I don't autocross. I just need something for the street that works better than BP-10 and is compatible with DTC-60's so I dont have to swap rotors when I go to the track 1-2 times a year.

OG, never heard anyone run the PFC.10's, ill look into it. Can you get HPS pads compatible with the Dynalite caliper?

Anyone try the HB540F-490 HPS pads? These showed up on a summit racing search for forged dynalites.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hw...-490/overview/

I do have a set, will send you measurement and pics tomorrow. You can PM me your cellphone and I'll text you those.

Seriously, BP-10 are DONOTWANT. This thread is relevant to my interests as I'm still running them simply because I'm too lazy to swap them right now.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404426519

--Ian

I wouldnt want HP+s in the car. They dont have a high enough heat range to be used on the track and they suck on the street. The pedal feel also sucks donkey dick like all other hawk pads. I just threw a set in the back calipers of the racecar since they're so stupidly grabby they should bring my bias with the 01+ abs back to where I like it.

Yo Leafy, how does it feel to be wrong all of the time?

I am running the HP+ and DTC-60s on my Dynalites. I've run HP+ for years, and they're dusty and noisy as shit. It probably sounds like the world is ending to other drivers on the road when I am lightly on the pedal coming up to a stop. It's definitely less hard on rotors, but it's kind of a bad street pad.

Dusty and noisy = suck on the street dumb ass. And the pedal still feels like you're pushing on a 2x4 duct taped to the fire wall.

Well it's a good thing that I never mentioned that it kinda sucked for a street pad, then. Right?

So how am I completely wrong again?

Your obsession with sucking dicks and the assertion that Hawks are awful.

HP+s have a great bite--I dont understand this comment.

HPS, however, are probably one of the worst pad I've ever driven on, a close second to the $16 set of Duralast pads. They have no bite, have no tolerance to heat, and give you no feedback through the pedal (just mush). I had HPS installed when I first went turbo back in 2006. I had a panic stop at around 80mph and they simply glazed over instead of slowing the car (stock 1.6L brakes) and I almost wasn't able to stop in time--I replaced them immediately.

If it wasn't for the dust/squeal* they'd be great street pads. The dust/squeal suggests they are working hard and have a high cf. I believe it's in the .50-.55 range.

They make a great autox pad and track pad for stock power levels.

*They don't always squeal, if you use grease/anti-squeal when installing you can usually reduce the vibrations so they are quiet. I've run 2-3 sets of them, but ultimately started running ULTs as they are ceramic, have just as good of a pedal feel, bite, tolerance, etc, but dont dust quite as much and don't require effort to stop from squealing.

They do have very high initial bite, doesnt mean that it has good pedal feel, it feels like the master doesnt move at all when you press the brakes and the firewall is just flexing, but the car is slowing down somehow, so you know its working.

Hey everyone, the guy who drives figure-8's in parking lots has something to say about pedal feel.

I always thought they were very easy to modulate (street/autox/track) and have enough friction that if you press harder, the car will flip head over heel because of the shitty rear bias.

I can't stand a pedal with any give--might as well just introduce air into your lines.

Yeah, because its more important there. When you only have 30 feet to do your braking on a different piece of pavement every time rather than 150 feet on the same piece of pavement its a lot more important to get good consistent brake feel.

Brain, thats why I put your old HP+s in the back on my car I wont notice the pedal shit, and they should be paired decently with the parts store ceramics.

Play nice, kids.

Yes, HP+ dust and can squeal if not properly bedded. But they do have a higher friction coefficient and higher heat range than stock. So everybody is correct.

For reference, I bought the 11.75 Dynalite setup from V8Roadsters (local to me) and they came stock with the BP-10 pads. Shandelle advised me to run them for my track weekend at Sebring and then we would figure out which compound to go with next. I was metal to metal in four sessions. That last 1/2 of the pad vaporized in very short order. Vaporized.

Prior to this I was running the Hawk Blues and way back also ran the HP+ when I was much slower. Most recently I had tried the Cobalt XR2 with the stock calipers and LOVED THEM. They stopped hot or cold, required no bedding, and gave me much better feel than the Hawk Blues on the same calipers and rotors. I currently have some XR2 pads on order for the Dynallites and I have ordered some Performance Friction "01" compound pads (not the "10" compound discussed here) to try from OG Racing (supporting our sponsors). I'm hoping to like them and will report back once I have given them a whirl.

On my TSE 11.75'', HP+ dust like mad but aren't noisy. They're good for auto-x, bad modulation on race track so I have no confidence and brake too early each time... went back to Carbotech XP12 and they're awesome on the track with really great communication and modulation. Too much bite for auto-x tho....

I think I am going to give the HP+ pads a try on fresh rotors to make sure there are no issues with previous transfer layers that might cause noise. Worst case I will sell some 95% HP+ pads in a few weeks if they suck on the street.

Oh, I'm patiently awaiting that day!

I hated my HP+ pads. DTC60 are much better. In track and in street

Do the DTC60 last on the street? How badly do they eat rotors at street temps.

DTC-60's temp range starts at 300F, the dust is corrosive, and they dust twice as hard as the HP+.

You should definitely run them on the street.

:bigtu:

Hawk.jpg: http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/atta...list-hawks.jpg

That's probably what you were after? Nice chart, I hadn't seen this one before (of course I also haven't looked)

i like that chart. shows why i liked hp+

looks like dtc-30 could be good.

I don't like hotlinking and I forgot the imgur rehost I did earlier. :x

I wish there was one floating around for the Carbotechs and I wish that this one didn't have "OEM" on there because it gives the impression that HPS is a decent pad.

Not to worry, MT is setup to steal everyones images and host them locally :party:

And yeah, I agree 100% with the Carbotech chart comment.

Great chart! EO2K, where were you 4 days ago befor I ordered my HP+ pads??? I did look at DTC-05/15 when I was looking around, but couldn't find any info on miata related applications. DTC-30 does look descent, but nothing seems to beat the cold bite of the HP+ pads.

Blame where blame is due: DKA posted it, I just fixed the image link :laugh:

I can't compare to the more aggressive pads but my set of Hawk+ have been great, amazing initial cold bite.
I took a chance on the dust and noise, they do dust but I was liberal with the anti squeal paste and the squeal is very minimal. Hardly noticeable a lot of the time.

Curly, what tires were you running on the track when you hated these pads?

I got the HP+'s on the car this past weekend and love the cold bite on these pads! No noise yet. I hope it will stay this way. I will have to report back after a few weeks. I should have never even tried the BP-10 crap pads. I have a lot more confidence in the brakes now.

I'm trying to decide if I want to pick up a set of these for my "street" rotors, but I've had no issues with the XP8s when cold, so :dunno:

I have been running the HP+ pads for about a month now. Performance is great and sooooo much better than the BP-10 crap. Initial bite is awesome. They do dust a little, but I have ugly wheels and will be painting the street set gunmetal gray in any case. For normal driving they aren't noisy. I only get noise when coming to a complete stop with cold brakes. It is not the hair raising squeel I had running these HPS+ pads on my jetta before. As soon as I put some heat into the pads they don't make a sound.

So far I am happy and can live with the little noise and dust they produce.

Thanks for following up on these. What kind of driving have you been doing? Just dailying them, or have you pushed them to any degree?

Mostly daily driving. I have been doing some more aggressive driving now that the clutch is broken in and plan on making a trip to the tail of the dragon over Thanksgiving. I am 100% confident that these pads will do anything you need to be doing on the street. If you fade these guys on the street, you are being a jackass and risking your life and the lives of others. Thats why I have DTC-60 pads for eventual track shenanigans.

I appreciate the extra info about these. I just got a f/r set of them yesterday and will be putting them on this weekend with fresh rotors, will see how well they hold up and if I need to slow down :D

Do the DTC-60s need a dedicated set of rotors, or will you be able to re-bed them on the same ones as these street pads?

I have not been able to take the car to a track day yet, but my understanding is that the DTC-60 will work just fine on a rotor with pretty much anything else bedded on the surface. It should be fine to run the DTC-60 on the same rotor and is what I was planning on doing.

One thing I want to know is if it is OK to then swap back to the HP+ pads on the same rotor after running DTC-60s. I have had bad experiences in the past with HP+ pads on my jetta when I just installed the pads and did not resurface or replace the rotor. Squeeled like a pig. Granted that was swapping from another brand street pad and not within the same HAWK line. I am sure someone on the forum has experience with this!