I already have a 12mm rear bar on the car and 28mm on the front.
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Disconnecting an end link is the least rear bar of all.
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Every time someone suggests removing the rear bar on a track car, I cry myself to sleep.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1059858)
Every time someone suggests removing the rear bar on a track car, I cry myself to sleep.
I still don't think he has checked into whether he is running out of rear suspension travel mid-corner. |
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1059871)
Me too.
I still don't think he has checked into whether he is running out of rear suspension travel mid-corner. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1057573)
Less rear ride height, less front rebound. Don't bandaid it with toe changes. When was the last time the car was cornerweighted and/or aligned? What does the tire pyrometer say?
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I swapped the shocks today. The 325# springs went on the street car and the 350# went on the track car. I also added the ISC top hats. I took the street car for a ride and it's apparent that the shocks that were on the track car are valved softer than the ones that were on the street car. After the switch the street car now kinda glides over rough pavement. Hopefully the increased rebound will help keep the rear planted better coming out of corners on the track car.
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1059901)
Shouldn't that be *more* front rebound? The reasoning being - on corner exit you're unwinding the wheel and adding more power... the car derolls and squats, so nose comes up, and more low speed front rebound will reduce front grip and thus reduce oversteer?
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1060936)
More front rebound will keep the nose down on exit and increase front grip. Let the nose rise and weight shifts to the rear tires on exit as it should. Hence less front rebound (at least IMO).
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In talking with a friend he said that in dirt track racing that they'd use a soft rebound shock on the right front and a stiff rebound shock on the left rear to increase rear traction coming out of a corner. Since we have to turn both ways on a road course you'd tune both shocks on an axle the same.
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Originally Posted by wannafbody
(Post 1060990)
In talking with a friend he said that in dirt track racing that they'd use a soft rebound shock on the right front and a stiff rebound shock on the left rear to increase rear traction coming out of a corner. Since we have to turn both ways on a road course you'd tune both shocks on an axle the same.
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A dirt track Miata would be cool.
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So do you know if you were on the bumpstops exiting the corner or did you just guess you were?
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Originally Posted by Vilko
(Post 1061815)
So do you know if you were on the bumpstops exiting the corner or did you just guess you were?
I was talking to a guy today who told me that the local dirt track was having a race this weekend with a $50,000 purse. No wonder dirt track racing is so popular. |
Mine is very well balanced with the fm front barand stock rear bar. Much better than with no rear bar. The car it's extremely predictable.
I've got the nb tophats, fcm bumpstops. I think the rear bumpstops may be cut in half, id have to check. Maybe slightly less front bar? |
Originally Posted by djp0623
(Post 1061871)
Maybe slightly less front bar?
The balance of any car between oversteer and understeer is a function of weight balance front to rear versus spring rates front to rear (and the sway bars are springs). If a setup has so much rear spring that a rear sway bar is unnecessary to achieve balance, then you have too much rear spring or not enough front spring (including sway bar). This is a bit of a simplification for the sake of illustration as there are a few other mitigating factors involved as well. Such as, the rear suspension bottoms out causing the car to behave as if the rear spring rate has suddenly skyrocketed (thus causing an abrupt onset oversteer condition). |
Update, took both cars to Nelson Ledges. If you aren't aware, this is probably the bumpiest track in North America. The track car felt better, I didn't feel as if the rear was going to slide out at the touch of the throttle. So the changes that I made by switching shocks and springs and tophats seemed to improve grip. Incidentally, switching shock and springs to the street car didn't seem to have a negative impact. The 1.6 is definitely lacking power but the car is able to put that power down quite effectively. For some reason it seems to hook a little better than the track car(maybe the cage plays a role). My friend took me for a few laps and about scared the crap outta me. I was seriously impressed that despite throwing it into the corners it didn't break traction despite the tires howling in protest. That being said, after driving both cars, I'm coming to the impression that the Yoke AD08's are a more forgiving tire than the Star Specs on track.
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I would be willing to bet your problem is shock travel, shit bump stops, greasy tires, bad driving, and unpredictable diff engagement combined.
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Originally Posted by jacob300zx
(Post 1062610)
I would be willing to bet your problem is shock travel, shit bump stops, greasy tires, bad driving, and unpredictable diff engagement combined.
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Oh, I'll readily admit that I'm not the best driver, I'm fairly slow but I am focusing on being smooth and increasing speed. My friend who is a good driver has said that the street car seems to stick better as well.
One thing I noticed last time I was at the track, we swapped the Hoosier R6s on the track car and the improved grip helped. I was actually able to get the car to understeer by turning the steering wheel quickly. Maybe the VLSD is the difference between the 2 cars. |
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