miataspeed2005

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I'm sold on the racelands, I will order these in a month. I don't track my miata and it's just a weekend fun car so I think they will serve the purpose. Yes! Racelands, body kits, flares, and 0 offset wheels. Call me a ricer but I like the way my car looks.

gospeed81

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I would at least try and change the springs. Maybe some of the cr.net guys like it, but my car feels floaty in the front with similar rates.

I swapped out my front shocks yesterday for Teins, and still have Bilsteins with 350lb/in springs on the back until my ISC mounts come in...leaving me with 390F/350R...DO NOT LIKE.

Sparetire

I will never buy another KYB product again. I got some stock replacement type GR2s for a car and they started leaking after about 40K miles. Thats on a stock sprung, lighter than stock car that did not see ANY track abuse or really even any major bumps at the time.

AGXs are a joke, just a more expensive joke than replacement GR2s. They seem to have a choice between diamon, iron, and lead levels of hardness as far as rebound is concerned.

gospeed81

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THIS.

Seriously...I would buy Ricelands waaaaayyy before I'd touch AGXs again. I could not get them off of my car fast enough, and they were the only shock in the history of the car that I installed new and payed nearly full price for.


Teins were much more comfortable (at least on front) on way in this morning.

ZX-Tex

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Yeah you want more front-rear spring rate spread than that, at least according to the FCM worksheet. That is unless you like having lots of oversteer.

gospeed81

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Yeah, I rode 450/250 a few weeks ago and REALLY like it.

Am mid-install right now, but pretty sure I won't like the stock Tein FRC either.

Braineack

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the Raceland rates are the way they are because they use honda springs, where they tend to run 350 in the F and 400-450 in the Rear.

The 400/350 combo puts your FCR at 45.6%, that means more weight gets moved to the rear of the car when turning, that should introduce tons of oversteer. Stock is 55%. Most setups run 60%...

spoolin2bars

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yonaka sux big hairy *****! (i really don't know, i'm just judging them like everyone judges the racelands)

and if your happy on gr2's and tein s techs, then just stay on those, why even consider coilovers? for what you are doing with the car, they might be perfect for YOU. that's the problem i see when anyone tries to give susp. advise on the net. they tell you how shitty they are because they wouldn't work for them, or are too cheap. then say that you need to buy these $2k race koni coilovers or you suck. well what if the orig. poster doesn't race? is that still gonna be the best choice for him?

which is the point with the racelands. if you need a dyno sheet before buying, then racelands aren't for you.
they aren't designed for wheel to wheel racing. obviously as the price tag shows, they are an entry level coilover that has valving to match the spring rates, which are stiffer than stock, so they will handle better than blown stock shocks, or improperly matched aftermarket spring/shock setups, for less or equal to the price of factory replacement. my friend has them on his car, so this isn't hearsay. he doesn't race his car, he just cruises it and occasionally will romp a few curvy roads. for him, the racelands were a good choice.

lastly, i ran agx for two years. once i got the spring rates (qa1 springs on ebay sleeves) and the appropriate sways, it was awesome. i trounced many a porsche, vette, spec and f/i miata on them. including miata's on tein flex and such. so agx might have sucked for you, if you just threw some lowering springs on them, but to claim they are **** is ignorant. just like claiming ricelands are shitty is ignorant if you don't have first hand experience. even then sometimes it's user error. i've seen guys that didn't know which way was stiffer/softer on their tein flex! the fact that they couldn't feel the difference tells me something right there. i've also seen guys that had their badass coilovers just set full stiff, then wondered how we were leaving him in the corners on a wet trackday, or another wondered why his car understeered so bad on a dry, tight auto-x course. never even occured to him to try adjusting his shock settings. i'm racing, i want full stiff right?

rharris19

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I like my 550/350, but it wasn't stiff enough, so 700/450 is on order. I used AGX with FM springs for a while and at the time it was a pretty fun setup.

spoolin2bars

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really? i didn't know coilover springs are brand specific. what kinda springs do i have? they're 9k/6k. toyota springs? mitsubishi springs?

this thread is full of fail.
exactly why i didn't post a review of my coilovers on this site.
unless they break, i'm stoked on their performance so far. i'm guessing at the end of the tx. miata challenge season, i'll be right there with the guys on tein flex or mono flex with a coilover for half the price.

dustinb

Lol, that is so weaksauce. You are saying "I didn't want to post my review because I didn't want to hear other opinions that might contradict my own."

Grow some *****. I think this thread is great, I think there are some good arguments.

Jeff_Ciesielski

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You sir, lack reading comprehension. What Braineack is saying is that because the "coilover" kits on ebay tend to be universal in nature, it makes sense for the manufacturer to produce them with a spring rate that tends to suit the car that they sell the most products for (In this case, a Honda @ 350/400). These springs were then re-used in a miata configuration (400/350). Is that a bit clearer?

Also, please try to capitalize if you are going to insult people and tell them that they are "full of fail". Not doing so makes you look like a fool.

Braineack

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you know what i meant you ------. honda application. not honda brand. they are still horrible rates for a miata. and no they are 7.1k/6.25k

webby459

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I get a tiny bit sexually excited every time Braineysack gets rowdy.

magnamx-5

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http://www.puppetmaster-robotics.com...ta_springs.htm
if the numbers on this site are accurate and the dammpers are actualy worth a **** those racelands are a solid buy in my book. It has to be lightyears ahead of my stock springs and bilsteins.

gospeed81

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AGXs were good with stock springs. I played around with every other set of rates on both sides of FM springs though, and did play with adjustments, (independent of each other) for months, and didn't find anything that worked.

Maybe I missed the sweet spot with the FM rates, but they were horribly underdamped with anything stiffer (rebound was nuts if you cranked up adjustments). I also never found a setting that worked well with lighter rates (66% more than stock), that didn't cause the car to jutter on every road imperfection.

I didn't want to install them a fourth time, so I sold them. I may just be picky though, and everyone has different needs. My car is a DD and I've tried 10 different setups in a year now, and still am not yet impressed with anything. Bilstein HDs with 450/250 QA1s were very decent, and I'm sure Illuminas with FM springs are very similar, but I never tried them.

I think our point in generally speaking our opinion in these kind of threads is to offer a perspective, however anecdotal, that someone can take with however much salt they want. It's all in context, and I know when reading a post by a hardcore trackrat that he may slam rates I'd find comfortable.

I also know I probably shouldn't take the word of a kid with 0 offset wheels (who measures ride height with housekeys) that a certain damper is "great."


Like I said above, I value 18psi's opinion since his usage is similar to mine, and would consider these a viable option if I hear another couple of positive reviews.

I would consider changing up the spring rates though.

buffon01

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So did anyone came back with what the ID for the spirngs on the racelands are and how compatible they're with other springs??

gospeed81

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Where do you see racelands on there?

Also note he's got the rate in a R/F ratio format, not the F/R numbers we generally throw around. As that page reads, a higher percentage means a stiffer rear.

ZX-Tex

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Tx Miata Challenge smack talk!

Seriously though if that is the case we will be interested in hearing what you are running. There are a lot of other variables though to consider including the driver.

Full_Tilt_Boogie

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We need to find out if the shocks can take anything stiffer before thats even an option.

In my experience you can get spring in any size and any spring rate imaginable, but its not always cheap.