Drawing the line: Driver mod vs Having the right parts
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Drawing the line: Driver mod vs Having the right parts
Hey everyone,
After being presented with a great deal on second hand XIDAs, it got me thinking the other day: where do you guys draw the line between driver development and having the right parts to do the job?
For instance, it is often recommended to beginners that they start off on street tires (RS3, Star Specs, etc) because unlike an r comp that has the potential to hide their bad habits, street tires provide a lower breakaway point while still providing a good amount of grip. However, you wouldnt typically recommend they purchase a set of all seasons since its grip/feel characteristics may actually hinder the learning process.
Another example is suspension. While XIDAs, AFCOs, Motons, and Ohlins are the established best suspension options, most recommend to start off with Koni/GC or Tein Flex as an acceptable option to learn on. Not only is it unlikely that a new-intermediate driver would be able to make the most of the setup, but similar to tires, ive read arguments that starting off with such high end suspensions would also mask some bad driving habits as well. However you wouldnt recommend racelands either.
In my particular situation, this is my second season (6-7 track events), the last 2 of which have been on STANCE coilovers. Ive recently upgraded to 9k front springs. Im debating whether to spend the $900-1000 after selling off the stance for XIDAs, or keep the stance and use the money towards track events. However, im wondering if having XIDAs would actually shorten the learning curve or lengthen it.
Sorry for the long post, but curious as to what you guys think. May serve as a decent topic of discussion.
After being presented with a great deal on second hand XIDAs, it got me thinking the other day: where do you guys draw the line between driver development and having the right parts to do the job?
For instance, it is often recommended to beginners that they start off on street tires (RS3, Star Specs, etc) because unlike an r comp that has the potential to hide their bad habits, street tires provide a lower breakaway point while still providing a good amount of grip. However, you wouldnt typically recommend they purchase a set of all seasons since its grip/feel characteristics may actually hinder the learning process.
Another example is suspension. While XIDAs, AFCOs, Motons, and Ohlins are the established best suspension options, most recommend to start off with Koni/GC or Tein Flex as an acceptable option to learn on. Not only is it unlikely that a new-intermediate driver would be able to make the most of the setup, but similar to tires, ive read arguments that starting off with such high end suspensions would also mask some bad driving habits as well. However you wouldnt recommend racelands either.
In my particular situation, this is my second season (6-7 track events), the last 2 of which have been on STANCE coilovers. Ive recently upgraded to 9k front springs. Im debating whether to spend the $900-1000 after selling off the stance for XIDAs, or keep the stance and use the money towards track events. However, im wondering if having XIDAs would actually shorten the learning curve or lengthen it.
Sorry for the long post, but curious as to what you guys think. May serve as a decent topic of discussion.
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There is no real problem with learning using the most capable parts setup in the best possible way, but many don't want to shovel all the money needed up front to do so (fresh tires per session, 3-4 person team to help you).
You can learn many things using less expensive tools and get a similar development curve (even though it flattens at a lower level).
One thing is important though, get tools with adjustments that make sense.
72 click adjustments where the useful ones are 28-32 is quite frustrating. Even expensive (and capable) shocks have stupid adjustments sometimes.
You can learn many things using less expensive tools and get a similar development curve (even though it flattens at a lower level).
One thing is important though, get tools with adjustments that make sense.
72 click adjustments where the useful ones are 28-32 is quite frustrating. Even expensive (and capable) shocks have stupid adjustments sometimes.
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For instance, it is often recommended to beginners that they start off on street tires (RS3, Star Specs, etc) because unlike an r comp that has the potential to hide their bad habits, street tires provide a lower breakaway point while still providing a good amount of grip. However, you wouldnt typically recommend they purchase a set of all seasons since its grip/feel characteristics may actually hinder the learning process.
Another example is suspension. While XIDAs, AFCOs, Motons, and Ohlins are the established best suspension options, most recommend to start off with Koni/GC or Tein Flex as an acceptable option to learn on. Not only is it unlikely that a new-intermediate driver would be able to make the most of the setup, but similar to tires, ive read arguments that starting off with such high end suspensions would also mask some bad driving habits as well. However you wouldnt recommend racelands either.
As far as driver vs. parts, that's a tough question. Parts are more fun, but often times the seat time is more valuable. Another thing to consider is making sure you're getting the most out of your seat-time - using tools like driver coaching or data acquisition to quickly zero in on issues can make a huge difference if you're just starting out or if you're way off the pace. Having a hotshoe drive your car with a datalogger onboard is probably one of the most valuable things you can do.
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True. Specifically, street tires have lower lateral grip limits and smoother breakaway characteristics - that is to say, when they break away, they do so slowly and predictably. R-comps grip harder and break away more quickly, so it's difficult for a beginner to flirt with the limits without getting frustrated.
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