Need help deciding which suspension I should get.
12-06-2012, 05:04 AM
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Emulsion shocks are shocks without separator pistons where oil and gas get to mix and froth. As far as I know FCM's retain the original Bilstein separator pistons. I wouldn't know what emulsion "valved" means and suspect that Hustler doesn't either. Which would be typical 
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12-06-2012, 08:01 AM
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Emulsion shocks are shocks without separator pistons where oil and gas get to mix and froth. As far as I know FCM's retain the original Bilstein separator pistons. I wouldn't know what emulsion "valved" means and suspect that Hustler doesn't either. Which would be typical
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12-06-2012, 07:57 PM
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My rears are different from Xidas since they are a development shock. Yes it's a change, but AST thinks it's still a good shock, Emilio drove the car and had no complaints. If I could do it again, I'd probably wait for the Xidas but I got these a long time ago.
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12-06-2012, 10:03 PM
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Oh, and i disagree with you on every point you made about FCM stuff. I'd do the point-by-point thing, but you made that post a long time ago and i don't wanna make a peeing contest. Love to chat though.
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12-07-2012, 09:30 AM
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That's bizarre. I can't imagine why the didn't use a bladder, a remote reservoir, or that weird foam stuff. Where does the air the piston displaces live, is it like a monotube with no separator piston and so the air rests against the shock shaft seal? Are they pressurized? Were they never really meant for the public? Are they consistent on different road surfaces? Once upon a time i was the shock rebuilder/ set up guy at a bike shop, and an imperfect shock bleed would ruin the ride, and when forks started using pressurized guts it was a massive improvement in ride quality. (Or at least the good ones were). I'm really curious how they're made.
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12-07-2012, 08:42 PM
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Bumpstops are part of the suspension. My miata doesn't use its bumpstops except for damage control, and i assure you that there are drawbacks, especially in collision avoidance maneuvers. Sure does fly off curbs nice though.
Boat anchors? Measurable but irrelevant. Pretty sure threaded body coilovers are aluminum because it's cheaper to machine, and bilsteins are steel because it's cheaper to weld.
I'm not sure why having easily sourced replaceable sleeves and remote reservoir lines is a bad thing.
I think the welded on shrader valves are awesome. They make the shock user serviceable and give a consistent repeatable (if subtle) way to adjust compression and bottom out.
Yep, shitty springs. Although if you're using top mounts that have a spring seat fixed to the chassis you aren't getting the spring rate you think you are anyway.
A great option for the right buyer, who may or may not be an idiot. You could very easily do worse.
A/S/L? Sweeeeet. ....Let me go find my robe and wizard hat.
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12-10-2012, 12:17 AM
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Overpriced is for the buyer to decide.
Bumpstops are part of the suspension. My miata doesn't use its bumpstops except for damage control, and i assure you that there are drawbacks, especially in collision avoidance maneuvers. Sure does fly off curbs nice though.
Boat anchors? Measurable but irrelevant. Pretty sure threaded body coilovers are aluminum because it's cheaper to machine, and bilsteins are steel because it's cheaper to weld.
I'm not sure why having easily sourced replaceable sleeves and remote reservoir lines is a bad thing.
I think the welded on shrader valves are awesome. They make the shock user serviceable and give a consistent repeatable (if subtle) way to adjust compression and bottom out.
Yep, shitty springs. Although if you're using top mounts that have a spring seat fixed to the chassis you aren't getting the spring rate you think you are anyway.
A great option for the right buyer, who may or may not be an idiot. You could very easily do worse.
A/S/L? Sweeeeet. ....Let me go find my robe and wizard hat.
Bumpstops are part of the suspension. My miata doesn't use its bumpstops except for damage control, and i assure you that there are drawbacks, especially in collision avoidance maneuvers. Sure does fly off curbs nice though.
Boat anchors? Measurable but irrelevant. Pretty sure threaded body coilovers are aluminum because it's cheaper to machine, and bilsteins are steel because it's cheaper to weld.
I'm not sure why having easily sourced replaceable sleeves and remote reservoir lines is a bad thing.
I think the welded on shrader valves are awesome. They make the shock user serviceable and give a consistent repeatable (if subtle) way to adjust compression and bottom out.
Yep, shitty springs. Although if you're using top mounts that have a spring seat fixed to the chassis you aren't getting the spring rate you think you are anyway.
A great option for the right buyer, who may or may not be an idiot. You could very easily do worse.
A/S/L? Sweeeeet. ....Let me go find my robe and wizard hat.
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12-11-2012, 02:20 AM
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The design might be nicer, but they need regular regassing too. Mine need it every other year at least and I know the high end stuff is the same or worse. Normal racing shock maintenance.
Shocks aren't material intensive, they're knowledge intensive.
Shocks aren't material intensive, they're knowledge intensive.
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