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Old 11-24-2008, 12:45 AM   #41
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what diff are you running, johndoe?
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Old 11-24-2008, 12:57 AM   #42
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4.1 torsen
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:25 AM   #43
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cool, so you and I will be running exactly the same suspension once I get my torsen and 9/6 flexes installed.

What did you set your ride height to?
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Old 11-24-2008, 03:35 AM   #44
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It's been a while but I think I'm at 11.8 front and 12.3 rear
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:54 AM   #45
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If you bumped your front springs up to 9kg, and put the rear bar back in, the car would turn in nicer and stay solid on exit. You NEED a rear bar to alleviate low-speed push, especially with a clutch-type diff. It's something you'd never notice on the street.
until this is a third car, it will probably trade compliance for track ability.
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Old 11-24-2008, 03:16 PM   #46
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I DD my 12.5kg/8kg car. Drove it about 700 miles this weekend. So comfortable I was having trouble staying awake on the highway on the way back from Calspeed.
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Johndoe and I are running very similar set ups. 9/6 springs, same bars and very similar alignment. I too really like the way my car is handling now. Very neutral and easy to control or modulate oversteer with the throttle. Savington's is likely similar too but with koni's instead of teins. His springs are heavier but in similar proportion of fronts being 1.5 times rear.

Made a big difference backing away from the max caster used in the Icehawk/ FM suggested settings.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:20 PM   #48
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I DD my 12.5kg/8kg car. Drove it about 700 miles this weekend. So comfortable I was having trouble staying awake on the highway on the way back from Calspeed.
we drove down a street on saturday that had 2 inch deep patches removed about every 20 feet. the transition from street to hole was a 45 degree fillet of pitch or whatever. my street is not so bad, but still. the DOT in this area can't seem to pave a street to save their life.
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Old 11-28-2008, 01:38 AM   #49
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Wait - you have 205's in the rear, with 195's up front and you still oversteer anytime? At turn in and at exit? With soft-*** agx and FM springs? WOW. I am betting that either something is really screwed up with your alignment or it is the way you are driving.

Sounds like you are trying to drive it like your WRX!

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Ok, I have not driven my wrx for over 6 months now, so NO....

I didnt get a chance to remove the rear sway yet, WAYY too busy this week but ill get on it asap.

I did however set the front on full stiff and rear on soft and practiced my driving a bit. I think something was wrong with the tires or the road that day on 49 because while it still oversteers, its not NEARLY as bad around town. stopped by the alignment place and had everything rechecked, its still exactly the same way they set it up before, which is according to factory specs.

At this time I would also like to point out one VERY IMPORTANT FACT (imo) that I forgot to mention earlier:

the rear and front tires are different brand. front are summer rears are all seasons.

D'OH!!!!!

I'm pretty sure this is the biggest reason...(stupid me)...

anyway, I'm getting all 4 new ones soon (as well as remove rear sway) so that should be solved soon.


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At this time I would also like to point out one VERY IMPORTANT FACT (imo) that I forgot to mention earlier:

the rear and front tires are different brand. front are summer rears are all seasons.

I think we just found your problem.
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stopped by the alignment place and had everything rechecked, its still exactly the same way they set it up before, which is according to factory specs.
Factory alignment tolerances are so broad that you can't really know how your alignment place has set up your alignment. Pick an alignment setup appropriate for your own style of driving (Mig Millman, Icehawk, Lanny, Flying Miata, Oceantop, Emilio, etc....) and tell your alignment shop to set it up that way.

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yup, problem solved. you'll be driving towards the limit of your front tires on turn in, but it'll be way more than your rears can handle exiting a corner.
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The mixed tires can't be helping but my car with stock sways and stock power oversteered horribly until I went with the big front sway. Alignment changed it further. I've tried stock, Icehawk/FM (they are pretty close if not the same) and 949's suggestions. 949 nailed it with my set up.

Big sway in the front was a dramatic change.
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