Another "What tire" thread
#1
Another "What tire" thread
I conversed with Hustler about this and it seems that hands down the NT01 is better for the street because of grip. We never discussed the price vs performance point.
Hustler: chime in since you have run both.
Prices below are for four tires shipped
RS3 225-45-15: 510
NT01 225-45-15: 526
XS: 205-50-15: 385
Assume this is solely a DD car.
What would you pick and why?
Feel free to add a tire that is not on the list.
Hustler: chime in since you have run both.
Prices below are for four tires shipped
RS3 225-45-15: 510
NT01 225-45-15: 526
XS: 205-50-15: 385
Assume this is solely a DD car.
What would you pick and why?
Feel free to add a tire that is not on the list.
#2
I would think that the NT01 is a little extreme for a solely daily driver. I would opt for the rs3, t1-r, rt-615, or xs on a daily.
I only have experience on the rt-615 and personally don't favor them because they get greasy fast. They are still very predictable but the fact that they get greasy is not good.
I will replace mine when worn with rs3's until I can have track wheels. Then I would use nt01.
I only have experience on the rt-615 and personally don't favor them because they get greasy fast. They are still very predictable but the fact that they get greasy is not good.
I will replace mine when worn with rs3's until I can have track wheels. Then I would use nt01.
#3
I've had the NT-01 and the XS. The NT-01s are livable in the rain when new, but not great when worn, and they will wear quickly when you are putting on the miles. They are also not very grippy when cold, late Oct-early Nov here in upstate NY, I could do rolling burnouts in second gear just by getting into boost.
That XS is fine to great for a n/a car, but with the power you want to run, probably not enough tire. The way I see it, we are kind of stuck with the RS-3 in the 225 to put enough rubber on the road.
To the guys with less power, in the 205s we have lots more choices, and an XS or Direzza are both great choices.
That XS is fine to great for a n/a car, but with the power you want to run, probably not enough tire. The way I see it, we are kind of stuck with the RS-3 in the 225 to put enough rubber on the road.
To the guys with less power, in the 205s we have lots more choices, and an XS or Direzza are both great choices.
#8
OK, so the XS is out because i want a 225 tire. Has anyone run their RS3s long enough to see how many miles they can get out of them?
Do the R888 come in 225 size? What price are we talking about for the R888?
Star spec is supposed to be an excellent tire in the wet, but gives up a little in the dry. I'm not sure about size or prices on this tire.
Do the R888 come in 225 size? What price are we talking about for the R888?
Star spec is supposed to be an excellent tire in the wet, but gives up a little in the dry. I'm not sure about size or prices on this tire.
#9
One more thing I almost forgot about the NT-01s. They are frigging loud, you will notice on the street. Others can confirm, but I'd bet the R888s are similar. I JUST DROVE the other car with the 205/50-15 Ecsta XS on it today. A great tire, lots of bite, lots of feedback, great steering feel, not at all noisy on the street. Again, probably not enough rubber for high horsepower, but I wouldn't totally discount them on an 8. Fitment with a totally stock fender, even with soft springs would be on the money.
Ben, thanks for the heads-up on the R1R. To me, this or the RS-3 in the 225/45-15 would be the choice. OP, be aware that the 225/45-15 NT-01 on my ATS Superlights, 8 inch +30s would rub with lightish (350/250#) springs in fairly extreme circumstances, like autocross turnarounds and 1.1+G track loading. They will rub really bad on front plastic liners (remove them along with the hardware), and rub some on the lips front and rear if you don't do a roll. Just one more thing to consider.
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Ben, thanks for the heads-up on the R1R. To me, this or the RS-3 in the 225/45-15 would be the choice. OP, be aware that the 225/45-15 NT-01 on my ATS Superlights, 8 inch +30s would rub with lightish (350/250#) springs in fairly extreme circumstances, like autocross turnarounds and 1.1+G track loading. They will rub really bad on front plastic liners (remove them along with the hardware), and rub some on the lips front and rear if you don't do a roll. Just one more thing to consider.
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I've DDed NT-01s, they are extreme. Loud, they tramline like no other, but they grip like no other too. I did get ~6k out of them, mostly highway miles but lots of canyon runs, track days, and autox as well. Got about 10k out of my RS2s with similar use. I think RS3s would be a bit better in the rain, though.
For a true DD that sees use in the rain, I'd do RS3s.
For a true DD that sees use in the rain, I'd do RS3s.
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Always an advocate for proxxes 4. Cheap, come in a 225 (only 225-50 though), amazing rain performance, great dry performance, and amazing tread life (20,000+ miles including 5 track days). I have many fond memories of my proxxes 4s, I still can't believe there is a faster tire than them. I'm probably going to **** my pants when I actually use my r-comps.
#18
I think the R1R will be a candidate. They seemed to be priced right. onlinetire.com does have the NT01 on sale for $114/tire. What makes a tire "extreme" for the street? A noisy tire is definitely less appealing.
RS3
R1R
NT01still a contender never mind, not willing to risk rubbing fender issues.
RS3
R1R
NT01
#19
I think the R1R will be a candidate. They seemed to be priced right. onlinetire.com does have the NT01 on sale for $114/tire. What makes a tire "extreme" for the street? A noisy tire is definitely less appealing.
RS3
R1R
NT01still a contender never mind, not willing to risk rubbing fender issues.
RS3
R1R
NT01
Extreme for the street: not full treaded, or like the NT01, circumferential grooves deeper than radial grooves, quick wear (treadwear rating will give you at least a relative IDEA here), tread not suited to "pumping" water from the sipes, noise, which is big if you are putting in lots of dd miles. Then, not considerations for the street, but still considerations, are things like breakaway characteristics and feedback. An r-comp will not telegraph before breakaway as much as a true street tire. IMO, the Azenis 615 is unparalleled for feedback in the UHPs, but it's not the tire that the more modern designs are as far as ultimate grip.