which shocks for my street driven nb on eibachs - Page 2 - Miata Turbo Forum - Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain discuss the wondrous effects of boost and your miata...

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-13-2012, 09:44 PM   #21
Junior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: College Station, TX
Posts: 281
Total Cats: 5
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdgen View Post
You could always just cut your stock springs...
Quote:
Originally Posted by triple88a View Post
Torch them to soften them up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 18psi View Post
Get this clubricer talk out of here
Nah brah, just zip tie them hoes together!
palmtree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2012, 01:39 PM   #22
Elite Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Severn, MD
Posts: 1,927
Total Cats: 5
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdgen View Post
You could always just cut your stock springs...
With a sawzall.
fmowry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2012, 02:47 PM   #23
Elite Member
iTrader: (46)
 
Stein's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 4,812
Total Cats: 138
Default

I'll find out this week if I'm buying another set of Tein Flexes for the SAABata. If so I'd have the 94 R bilsteins with .4" lower than stock R springs for sale. I haven't priced them yet but I suspect they would be around $400 with shocks and R springs.
Stein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2012, 02:56 PM   #24
Murderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,192
Total Cats: 2,583
Default

I may have found some NB bilsteins locally, but definitely hit me up with with the pricing, if anything I might get the springs from ya.

I'm having second thoughts about the Eibach's. They might be a little too soft for the 1.2" drop. Not sure yet.

Last edited by 18psi; 03-14-2012 at 03:28 PM.
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2012, 03:10 PM   #25
y8s
2 Props,3 Dildos,& 1 Cat
iTrader: (8)
 
y8s's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Fake Virginia
Posts: 19,038
Total Cats: 407
Default

you know i was just making fun of leatherface misspelling bilstein, right? it's not really bilstain.
y8s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2012, 03:27 PM   #26
Murderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,192
Total Cats: 2,583
Default

you a$$hole
I didn't even bother to check. just went with it. I'm lazy
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2012, 04:31 PM   #27
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
triple88a's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 9,131
Total Cats: 598
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 18psi View Post
you a$$hole
Brah why you wound up so tight?
triple88a is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 08:51 PM   #28
Newb
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Springfield, VA
Posts: 36
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 18psi View Post
I may have found some NB bilsteins locally, but definitely hit me up with with the pricing, if anything I might get the springs from ya.

I'm having second thoughts about the Eibach's. They might be a little too soft for the 1.2" drop. Not sure yet.
My 97 came with Eibachs and stock shocks which bounced all over the place. I replaced them with AGX and it was better. Then FM shock mounts made it better. 1st gen FM springs came next and I was glad to be rid of the Eibachs. Now I have 2nd gen FM springs and the car is pretty well behaved for being relatively cheap. I wouldn't bother with the Eibachs if you can help it. Go big or buy used.

This was my car with Eibachs:
Attached Thumbnails
which shocks for my street driven nb on eibachs-6.jpg  
beatle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 09:27 PM   #29
Murderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,192
Total Cats: 2,583
Default

That doesn't look bad. So you're saying the eibachs were bouncy and you didn't like em even with the aftermarket shocks?
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 10:07 PM   #30
Slowest Progress Ever
iTrader: (26)
 
thirdgen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: The coal ridden hills of Pennsylvania
Posts: 5,808
Total Cats: 183
Default

I'm going to state this: "I feel that bouncy ride is caused by the springs having crappy rates and has nothing to do with the shocks. The shocks merely dampen the bounce. Why buy expensive shocks and shitty springs?"
thirdgen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2012, 10:54 PM   #31
Murderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,192
Total Cats: 2,583
Default

lol

I'm trying to get you guys to tell me what I want to hear....not the truth
Much like you in your engine thread.

But I know what must be done.

*sigh*
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 12:04 AM   #32
Newb
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Springfield, VA
Posts: 36
Total Cats: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 18psi View Post
That doesn't look bad. So you're saying the eibachs were bouncy and you didn't like em even with the aftermarket shocks?
The ride height wasn't really that bad, but I did scrape over some speedbumps and had to take car not to scrape on some driveways. I scrape much less, if at all with the FM setup and the ride is better too.

Honestly I liked the Eibachs with stock shocks the first time I drove it. I didn't pay attention to the ride - I was just amazed at how much more responsive the car was with stiffer springs. My old 92 had Koni yellows on stock springs and I thought that was fun too. I thought my FM/AGX setup was pretty decent until I drove an FCM equipped car and I blew my wad before I even turned the steering wheel...

The point is that you may not know what you're missing until you buy good stuff. However, if you can buy a better product at a comparable price, do it now and save the upgrade-itis until you can get top-shelf parts. Swapping suspension parts for minimal gains isn't really all that fun. It just shows you how ignorant you may have been when you bought your first parts.
beatle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 12:12 AM   #33
Murderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,192
Total Cats: 2,583
Default

I have had FM2 springs + KYB agx shocks on my previous car, so its not like I'm new to this. My question (now that we've discussed shocks) is specifically regarding the eibachs and if they're terrible or not, since you're one of the few people on here that used em.

Also keep in mind my original post and how this is a 100% street car. Meaning I'm not going for crazy cornering speeds or any drastic handling improvements.

Basically it comes down to this: I want less wheel gap and slightly improved handling.
What I DON'T want is a bouncy car bottoming out on every single bump and riding on bump stops.

If I can't have the pro's without the cons with the Pro-Kit, then I'll just wait and get FM2 again. If I can, then I'll run the Eibachs.
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 12:42 AM   #34
Elite Member
iTrader: (46)
 
Stein's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 4,812
Total Cats: 138
Default

I'm getting the Teins tomorrow. Just buy my bilstien/R spring package and be done. Where else are you going to get a bolt-in package for $400, get a drop, stiffer than stock springs and easy peasy?
Stein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 08:21 AM   #35
Newb
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Springfield, VA
Posts: 36
Total Cats: 0
Default

Ah, I forgot that you had the FM2 setup before. The Eibachs will be slightly lower and slightly bouncier. I am much happier with my FM springs, and the car still appears to be lower. The fact that your car will remain on the street should solidify your reasons for getting slightly taller, slightly stiffer springs. The car will ride better for it. Better handling is just a bonus then.

Someone on a forum once said about the FM springs, "The car looks like it has been lowered, but not on purpose."
beatle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 02:04 PM   #36
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
 
triple88a's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 9,131
Total Cats: 598
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdgen View Post
I'm going to state this: "I feel that bouncy ride is caused by the springs having crappy rates and has nothing to do with the shocks. The shocks merely dampen the bounce. Why buy expensive shocks and shitty springs?"
I always thought the bouncy ride was because the shocks are too low valved and cant hold the higher rate springs.
triple88a is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 05:51 PM   #37
Newb
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Springfield, VA
Posts: 36
Total Cats: 0
Default

When a car is so low, you're not really using the springs much anyway. You're sitting on the bumpstops or bouncing off them repeatedly. They are effectively an extremely stiff spring and a shock can't damp that much force. This is why it feels bouncy. The shock may be able to damp the movement of the spring itself, but not the bumpstop. This is also why stiffer, taller springs (FM) may ride better than softer, shorter springs (Eibach) - they compress less and keep you off the bumpstops.
beatle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 06:04 PM   #38
Murderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,192
Total Cats: 2,583
Default

Were yours riding on bump stops when you had them on?
Did you look underneath and see how much clearance they had?
Did you cut your bump stops like some people do/recommend?

Just curious. Cause the reviews I get are so mixed when it comes to these specific springs. I hear what you're saying, and I understand the logic behind all of it, just trying to feel out just HOW MUCH room these springs leave on the table for compression or whether they literally sit on bump stops. Cause a 1.2" drop isn't really that drastic (at least IMO).

Like I said, I have no problem switching to better springs later (or sooner) but don't want to completely can them unless I'm 100% sure they're useless.
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2012, 06:41 PM   #39
Newb
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Springfield, VA
Posts: 36
Total Cats: 0
Default

That was my estimation based on before/after comparisons with other springs and internet wisdom.

No.

No. This was also before the advent of newer MCU bumpstops. I hear they're now a must when replacing suspension, regardless of which OTS shock and spring you go with.

Since you have the springs already, you can just buy a set of shocks and give them a try. You might like it anyway despite what everyone says. I just found that taller, stiffer springs like FM's rode and handled better. Not sure where you're getting the 1.2" drop spec from. Miatas have different ride heights from the factory and the drop is relative to what you started with. I'm pretty sure I was under 12" fender-to-hub distance though. It's not CR low, but I scraped enough that I thought it should be higher.

You get pretty good at swapping suspension out if you do it 4-5 times though.
beatle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2012, 01:40 PM   #40
Murderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (76)
 
18psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 36,192
Total Cats: 2,583
Default

OMG so I've been spending HOURS the past couple days trying to get more info on springs/shocks and what I REALLY want.

The more I read, the more confused I get.

*EDIT: see post 42

Last edited by 18psi; 03-20-2012 at 04:32 PM.
18psi is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
15x10 - 15x11 6UL @ 949 Racing emilio700 Wheels and Tires 151 06-02-2017 03:36 PM
OTS Bilstein to motorsports ASN conversion stoves Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain 5 04-21-2016 04:00 PM
LucaCarMods's Boosted Dutch Miata Build! LucaCarMods Build Threads 11 02-14-2016 07:13 AM
Hey everyone another n00b here Big_gumby Meet and Greet 80 10-05-2015 05:06 PM
Re-Spring Tein FLEX or replace? Mazdaspeeder Suspension, Brakes, Drivetrain 21 10-03-2015 07:45 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:36 AM.