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Old 03-20-2012, 02:21 PM   #41
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Just read a post by [email protected] that MSM suspension basically sucks lol. Apparently they only "feel" more responsive, at the cost of harsher ride quality, and no performance benefit.

Also according to a couple more posts from other forums, the MSM suspension doesn't drop the regular NB at all.

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Old 03-20-2012, 04:35 PM   #42
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MSM bilstein vs Tokico Illumina.

1) Which would you run with an Eibach Pro-Kit? and why
2) Which would you run with FM2 springs? and why
3) which would be more DAILY DRIVER friendly? and why

I'm almost considering getting ricelands and fitting custom 350/250 springs on them....hmm
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:46 PM   #43
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I have the Illumina w/ Eibach's. Been using it for a long time. Ride is firm, but not too harsh. Handles better than what you'll need for a street car, but it's oooohhh so much fun. Drop is minimal, I think 1.5"
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:50 PM   #44
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Have you experienced any sag? How long have you had em on the car?
Only thing that really scares me at this point is sag/droop: read some reviews about them sagging, while others swear up and down there's no such thing going on. Also Eibach claims a million mile warrantee and no sagging.

Also I'm starting to lean away from AGX/STR.T shocks because according to FCM and a couple other sources they are intended for stock spring rates only, and cannot be rebuilt.

Tokicos can't be rebuilt either but at least they are said to be able to handle all the way up to 500 spring rate or something like that.

But the Bilsteins are cheaper, known to last forever, and can be rebuilt/revalved.

Toying with the idea of MSM Billstein+ProKit+36mm bump stops right now.
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Been on my car since late 90's, way before I bought it. Ride height has not changed. However, there are obvious signs of stress on the shocks. It's time for a change, haha. They still work fine, but I know I've worn them out. The Eibachs are still fine, though.

I'm in the same boat as you right now. I'm leaning towards the FM vmaxx.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:40 PM   #46
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My problem with the Vmaxx is that its 750 or something retarded like that, when you can buy ricelands for 360 and 350/250 rate springs for another 100-200 and have an "ideal street setup" for roughly 500ish
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Well the big debate is whether or not the FM "upgrading" of the Vmaxx is worth the extra cost or is just non-existent. But the reviews on the FM Vmaxx seem to be great, however, I have no first hand experience and I usually only trust reviews on parts by people on MT. So until someone on here can confirm it, It's a mystery to me.

I rode a in riceland car a few weeks ago and it was "ok". I would rather have my current setup again over off the shelf Ricelands. Do you think a spring change is worth it? How much can a spring change improve a crappy shock?

What is the ride and build quality like on the Riceland compared to the Vmaxx?

Obvious answer is just idgaf and get AST
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Both use chinese shocks. Vmaxx has proper springs while riceland (nb vers) runs 420/350 or something like that.

If OTS ricelands work "ok" on a street car with the crappy rates, I don't see why they wouldn't work "decent" with optimized rates.

But I kinda want to stay away from riceland and run something brand name like bilstein or Illumina if I can.
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Hmm i didnt see FM now offered 2 types of Vmaxx... whats the difference between the regular and the xstreme? Spring rates say they are the same...
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Hmm i didnt see FM now offered 2 types of Vmaxx... whats the difference between the regular and the xstreme? Spring rates say they are the same...
The XXtreme has adjustable damping and stiffer spring rates (504 lb/in rear/336 lb/in front compared to 391 lb/in front/258 lb/in rear)
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I don't think they have shock dyno's for the vmaxx, or do they?
In which case its essentially a Raceland with a 260 rear spring for a $200 premium
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I don't think they have shock dyno's for the vmaxx, or do they?
In which case its essentially a Raceland with a 260 rear spring for a $200 premium
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showpost.p...3&postcount=86
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oh snap thats cool.
guess thats what you're paying 200 extra for then.
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Dude my Raceland/Rokker shocks have been great for my DD. They were cheap and I have had zero issues. Just saying...

My old MSM/H&R Race spring combo was great for DD also
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bc coilovers!
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Mild update:
Still rocking stock suspension, but picked up Tein S-techs and 01 Billsteins. Pretty sure this will be my "setup".

From the reviews I read on the interwebs, this seems to be a great daily driver setup. Very mild drop, stiffer rates than RB and Eibach, and stock billstein valving should be able to keep up with the springs. Thinking of picking up some FCM bumpstops too.

What does everyone think?
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frankly I'm still digging my tein flex. are the tein basic in your ballpark?
This.

I'm greatly enjoying Rharris's leftovers (Tein Mono-Flex). They ride like an absolute dream compared to those horrid Koni shocks... and they have nearly twice the spring rates the Koni Sports had on them. The same corners I was scared to do 40mph around are now being done at 65+.
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I no can find tein coils for guud deal :(
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Old 05-23-2012, 09:37 AM   #60
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I haz tein flex
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