Reverse issue <stuck in 5th, stuck in reverse>
06-15-2012, 12:27 PM
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Reverse issue <stuck in 5th, stuck in reverse>
Ok, I've read PLENTY about this issue. I mean everything I could find. My issue is the same but not. Here
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Parked the car on a hilly circle k parking lot and put it into 3rd gear (i think 3rd, maybe 5th) and e-braked it. Came back out and neutraled out of the spot i was in, and placed it into 1st. Car went no where. Engine dies and acts like it's in 5th. In neutral, it's in reverse. Never had this issue before, never heard about it, called brother and told me that I could fix it by shoving the shift lever into 5th and pulling it back out real fast. NOPE. Got it into 5th and I do believe that just screwed me. Now it's stuck firmly in 5th.
Now I'm under the car on jack stands in a circle k parking lot doing the reverse switch method. The little detent that I'm supposed to move backwards is jammed, not moving. Later found out I should try the other direction. Did not budge. I waited for my father to come around since he has tricks that I don't know about. He ended up using pry bars and bending screw drivers with torches and some other crazy McGiver tricks to get leverage to pull the detent one way or the other. Nothing.
The only thing I've heard* work was to tear apart the turret and do something with the rods, but post i found didn't really explain what he did. My father found that there's a kit to prevent this which is about $100, and I have a 97 transmission sourced right now for $150. I want this hinkydink trans to work in the mean time.
Any suggestions?
Story;
Parked the car on a hilly circle k parking lot and put it into 3rd gear (i think 3rd, maybe 5th) and e-braked it. Came back out and neutraled out of the spot i was in, and placed it into 1st. Car went no where. Engine dies and acts like it's in 5th. In neutral, it's in reverse. Never had this issue before, never heard about it, called brother and told me that I could fix it by shoving the shift lever into 5th and pulling it back out real fast. NOPE. Got it into 5th and I do believe that just screwed me. Now it's stuck firmly in 5th.
Now I'm under the car on jack stands in a circle k parking lot doing the reverse switch method. The little detent that I'm supposed to move backwards is jammed, not moving. Later found out I should try the other direction. Did not budge. I waited for my father to come around since he has tricks that I don't know about. He ended up using pry bars and bending screw drivers with torches and some other crazy McGiver tricks to get leverage to pull the detent one way or the other. Nothing.
The only thing I've heard* work was to tear apart the turret and do something with the rods, but post i found didn't really explain what he did. My father found that there's a kit to prevent this which is about $100, and I have a 97 transmission sourced right now for $150. I want this hinkydink trans to work in the mean time.
Any suggestions?
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06-18-2012, 11:22 AM
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OBVIOUS TROLL IS OBVIOUS! NICE TRY MIATA "KING"!
Originally Posted by Miata dude with the crown
...when your pulling out of your parking lot, or parking space, or the Circle K...
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06-18-2012, 04:23 PM
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I found that quite humorous as well. I think this is the second time this month I've posted one of his videos here at MT. He is a little goofy but his visuals are good. I've directed countless Miata people to his timing belt videos.
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09-02-2012, 03:33 AM
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Maybe a stupid question, but, instead of dropping the 40 or so dollars for the upgraded switch could one just plug the hole with a bolt and wire up a manual switch off the two wires? I've had this problem twice with past transmissions and with my luck I'll be on the side of the road again with the car up trying to fuq that little switch hole hopelessly with a screwdriver.
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09-02-2012, 02:50 PM
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Maybe a stupid question, but, instead of dropping the 40 or so dollars for the upgraded switch could one just plug the hole with a bolt and wire up a manual switch off the two wires? I've had this problem twice with past transmissions and with my luck I'll be on the side of the road again with the car up trying to fuq that little switch hole hopelessly with a screwdriver.
Good thing I'm here in CA where they only check to see if my car stinks or not. No brakes? No lights? No steering wheel? Who cares! As long as it falls within range of NOX and it has the right numbers stamped on the cat, nobody cares.
Dafaq? How in the hell could that have happened? Its not like I'm sitting here slamming it into 5th :( Is this "user serviceable" or am I better off looking for another 5 speed?
Sav, I'm local-ish... anywhere around you would recommend looking for a trans?
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09-03-2012, 02:50 PM
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I don't know exactly how your shift fork would bend because I don't know what the internals of the transmission looks like; I've only ever rebuilt a motorcycle transmission - but if I were to hypothesize, I would say that the easiest way to bend the shift fork towards fifth gear would be to try and force the transmission into reverse pretty hardcore while neither the input shaft nor the output shaft were moving. I would almost think that there would be a shock absorbing spring or something between the rod and the fork that would prevent this from causing damage in the first place though, but I didn't engineer this transmission - probably because I'm not an ME
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09-04-2012, 12:21 AM
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The mongoloid tow truck driver that just flat-bedded my car home... would there be any reason to put my car IN REVERSE if it were strapped to a flat bed truck?
Honestly, the first time this happened was the day after I got it running again...I'm going to bleed the **** out of the clutch system this week and see if I can adjust the throw a bit on the pedal side and see if that helps at all. If no help, time for trans
Last edited by EO2K; 09-04-2012 at 01:26 AM.
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09-04-2012, 12:22 PM
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Interesting... I've never hammered on it, but it has always been tough to get into reverse. I just thought it was one of the idiosyncrasies of this particular transmission. In order to do what you described, I would need to have the car and the engine stopped, but the clutch out (engaged) and try to shift into reverse, correct? Or maybe with the clutch in, but without the synchros/teeth lined up? Either way, I appreciate the info, gives me something to think about.
If you take your fingers and interleave them from each hand, they fit together like gears might fit. (Left middle finger between right middle finger and right index finger, etc.) This theory suggests that instead of pushing your hands together by interleaving the fingers, you're, instead, putting your middle fingers and ring fingers tip-to-tip with each other, and then trying as hard as you can to slide your hands together.
If the car is moving, the transmission effectively locks you out of reverse, but if the car is stationary and the input shaft is moving - either because you just pushed the clutch in, or because you're very lightly feathering the clutch, the gears get to change position, so as you're putting the teeth of the gears together, they eventually grab each other and pull themselves into place.
I'm still not a mechanical engineer, though. *grain-of-salt* recommended.
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