Go to PRI and ask the right person at the Holley booth face to face.
It's a great way to get oddball things done. I was able to talk to the actual programmer of their Sniper firmware and get unofficial confirmation that things that aren't supported are actually supported, etc. I will attempt to find the quicktime guy and ask about the miata bellhousing. |
Originally Posted by Kanaan
(Post 1643505)
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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...39aaa569a2.png did anyone else just get their order canceled and says its "Obsolete"??? ordered from holley and i no longer can find that item on the site either... hopefully some error |
Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 1643556)
Go to PRI and ask the right person at the Holley booth face to face.
It's a great way to get oddball things done. I was able to talk to the actual programmer of their Sniper firmware and get unofficial confirmation that things that aren't supported are actually supported, etc. I will attempt to find the quicktime guy and ask about the miata bellhousing. I got a message back from QuickTime and they told me it is now discontinued with the only way to get it is a “custom setup” blows my mind they just cancel everyone’s existing orders just to have to custom order the same thing but cost probably a lot more money… |
Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 1643556)
Go to PRI and ask the right person at the Holley booth face to face.
It's a great way to get oddball things done. I was able to talk to the actual programmer of their Sniper firmware and get unofficial confirmation that things that aren't supported are actually supported, etc. I will attempt to find the quicktime guy and ask about the miata bellhousing. |
Nothing like something interesting finally coming to light, only for the MFG to decide it's not worth their time anymore.
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Originally Posted by Midtenn
(Post 1643593)
Nothing like something interesting finally coming to light, only for the MFG to decide it's not worth their time anymore.
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Originally Posted by Labora
(Post 1643594)
Right. :( This was on my upgrade radar, seen 3-4 people do it now. I wonder if they could be swayed by a company like American powertrain selling this as a "kit", to make a few dozen.
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Originally Posted by ryansmig
(Post 1643595)
Yeah I'm pretty discourage about it now. I had placed an order and called around to many places that were out of stock. I'm not sure how many orders they need to continue making them, but I know there's are a few of us posting about it here and on the FB page
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Originally Posted by Labora
(Post 1643596)
I'm surprised none of the Miata vendors have put this together as a kit, these bells are used for a wide variety of transmissions too so seem like something that would sell all be it slowly. Certainly as stock transmissions age out this will become more common for anything making more than 300+hp. My plan was to get one when my 6spd dies.
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Have you taken measurements of the diameter of the front bearing retainer as well as the spacing between the 4 mounting points on the TKX? It does seem like it might be fairly straightforward to turn something down to press fit/weld in
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Originally Posted by ryansmig
(Post 1643646)
Have you taken measurements of the diameter of the front bearing retainer as well as the spacing between the 4 mounting points on the TKX? It does seem like it might be fairly straightforward to turn something down to press fit/weld in
its all pretty standard info as gm has used the same 4 bolt pattern for a while and the center retainer, I had a hard time finding those specs but surely they are out there, When i do measure them ill post back here. Atleast using the gm version it won’t be enough to reuse the stock hole on the back of the auto housing as it isn’t thick enough I don’t believe. I haven’t taken super precise measurements yet but if my rough math is correct I need to somehow make the bell housing 8-10mm shorter and while it looks like the auto housing has a lot of meat there on the inside it’s carved out so you can’t really mill it down that far. i came up with 181mm total length of the auto housing flange face to flange face and the tkx diagram shows it to be 170mm from the flange to the tip of the shaft. But the actual splines don’t reach as far so you have to move it even closer to account for that. im at the point where I think I’m just going to find a 1/2” sheet of aluminum have someone mill off the bell housing to the height I need and bore the hole i need in the plate and i can trace out the bolt pattern and drill those and just weld the plate on... The issue is getting it perfectly centered down to the runout specs tremec needs, but I believe if I just set the plate on top and index it like you would any other tremec trans and then tack it into place I don’t see why that wouldn’t work for centering it and seems about the only way to do it. If anyone has any tips or criticism here on this feel free anything is welcome at this point. But i guess ill never know if itll work till i try. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5fed96b32b.png https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e331f06f18.png a random picture of the exact thing im going to try and achieve i found online but mating to a t5 for example. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...cbcd527069.png |
Originally Posted by ryansmig
(Post 1643595)
Yeah I'm pretty discourage about it now. I had placed an order and called around to many places that were out of stock. I'm not sure how many orders they need to continue making them, but I know there's are a few of us posting about it here and on the FB page
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Originally Posted by Kanaan
(Post 1643648)
i tried telling them this on several emails, messages and phone calls but they dont seem to care, few of the shops i talked to when calling around for stock mentioned the same thing that quicktime went to crap after they were bought out by holley.. imagine that big corporation buying a small company and turning it to shit, cant say ive seen that happen before 😂
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Exactly my thoughts on the ZF swaps as they stand today.
I'm looking for those specs now. I don't have the tooling myself to make an adapter plate, but my plan was to draft it up in CAD and then see how much it would cost for someone to make. Maybe I'm missing something, but why mill down the inside of the auto housing? Does it cover up one of the 4 bolt holes? My thoughts were moreso to fill in the back of the auto housing with a donut shaped adapter plate |
Originally Posted by ryansmig
(Post 1643649)
I actually thought about messaging the founder of QuickTime on LinkedIn the other day. I guess that would be similar to reaching out to them at the tradeshow booth
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Keep me in the loop too. I had my order for the bellhousing canceled too.. 2 days after I got the trans and all the other stuff. Great timing.
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Originally Posted by ryansmig
(Post 1643650)
Exactly my thoughts on the ZF swaps as they stand today.
I'm looking for those specs now. I don't have the tooling myself to make an adapter plate, but my plan was to draft it up in CAD and then see how much it would cost for someone to make. Maybe I'm missing something, but why mill down the inside of the auto housing? Does it cover up one of the 4 bolt holes? My thoughts were moreso to fill in the back of the auto housing with a donut shaped adapter plate I dont really have the tooling either, im going to have to find someone that will mill what i need and im just hoping it doesnt cost a ton, considering its pretty basic work for a mill im hoping it isnt much. Only big thing im hoping i can pull off is centering up and welding the plate on and i dont think puncing and drilling/tapping the mounting holes shouldnt be hard. If this works out as i have planned it i really dont think theres anything from stopping me from building a few extras but im a long way from making that call i gotta build my own first and make sure it all works out. My dad ended up knowing someone with a machine shop and was going to swing by my place tomorrow to check out the project and see if he could mill what i needed so hopefully i get the ball rolling soon. |
at long last, at 66 yrs old after truly never owing an automatic transmission car in my life, I am going to. I went thru all this too. Currently I have this in my shop, with an NB adapter from Domiworks due about Christmas. 8 speed ZF8-hp45. Torque rating 370 ft-lbs, but being raced at much more. Weight without torque converter 147#. TC weight 36#, NB stock fw & pp approx 30 #. Overall length ~ 29' vs NB 5 sp 34".
TKX weight ~ 100 lbs without fw and pp., so 35 lb increase for 3 more gears? Able to be run as automatic or paddle shifted. Shift speeds similar to DCT's used by Porsche and BMW. Adapter + flexplate ~ $1500; TCU ~ $1500. Literally 45pgs of these transmissions on Car-Part, with over 20 pgs less than 50k miles and under $500. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...dfc03cb012.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b5f15cf74b.jpg |
Originally Posted by wombat57
(Post 1643674)
at long last, at 66 yrs old after truly never owing an automatic transmission car in my life, I am going to. I went thru all this too. Currently I have this in my shop, with an NB adapter from Domiworks due about Christmas. 8 speed ZF8-hp45. Torque rating 370 ft-lbs, but being raced at much more. Weight without torque converter 147#. TC weight 36#, NB stock fw & pp approx 30 #. Overall length ~ 29' vs NB 5 sp 34".
TKX weight ~ 100 lbs without fw and pp., so 35 lb increase for 3 more gears? Able to be run as automatic or paddle shifted. Shift speeds similar to DCT's used by Porsche and BMW. Adapter + flexplate ~ $1500; TCU ~ $1500. Literally 45pgs of these transmissions on Car-Part, with over 20 pgs less than 50k miles and under $500. I've reached out to Tremec looking for a few things. One is for a dimensional drawing of their GM 4-bolt in relation to the front bearing retainer. The other is if they do custom input shaft lengths. I spoke with a custom bellhousing shop and they said that was something that could be offered. May be a better solution than milling the auto housing. Though I'm not sure exactly how to measure how deep the input shaft should go just yet |
Originally Posted by ryansmig
(Post 1643712)
There is someone on the high horsepower miatas page running a pretty custom BMW 8 speed swap. It's pretty sweet and definitely something I considered. Can't deny that it is faster on track either
I've reached out to Tremec looking for a few things. One is for a dimensional drawing of their GM 4-bolt in relation to the front bearing retainer. The other is if they do custom input shaft lengths. I spoke with a custom bellhousing shop and they said that was something that could be offered. May be a better solution than milling the auto housing. Though I'm not sure exactly how to measure how deep the input shaft should go just yet Interesting, keep me updated. I think building the bell housing around the gm input shaft is easier than a longer input shaft tbh. I’m guessing you would run into isssues using the common internal slave/throw out bearings then. A company that makes the housings should easily be able to make it to any length. As for measuring the input shaft not too sure, I can measure the difference of the auto housing sitting on the tkx and reference it to a stock 5 speed if your planning on using Miata fltwheels and clutches. I’d have to think about it a little harder but then I think you’d just measure the overall distance of the tkx flange to end of the shaft minus the difference. |
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