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icantlearn 07-04-2017 02:57 AM

Wilwood Dynapro Pad Knockback issue.
 
Hi Guys, I am having a strange issue with my brakes. When driving aggressively, I get pad knock back, however, I already replaced my front hubs and the issue is still there. I really don't think it is the rear because of the amount of travel needed to engage the brakes again. Any ideas?

aidandj 07-04-2017 12:20 PM

Try driving aggressively then stop without using the front brakes (e brake or coasting) and measure the gap between pads and rotors.

hornetball 07-04-2017 12:46 PM

Why don't you think it's the rears? Rear hubs crack. Have you inspected them?

icantlearn 07-04-2017 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1425628)
Try driving aggressively then stop without using the front brakes (e brake or coasting) and measure the gap between pads and rotors.

I will try this today. Another thing to note is that the pads contact the rotors when I am off the brakes, especially the rears. I can hear them squeak until I pull the handbrake up and it goes away. Same with the front but it is not as bad.

icantlearn 07-04-2017 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1425632)
Why don't you think it's the rears? Rear hubs crack. Have you inspected them?

I have inspected them, they look and feel fine.

icantlearn 07-04-2017 06:52 PM

Took the front wheels off. Everything looks fine. Rears have movement side to side but none in and out. Dunno. :dunno:

aidandj 07-04-2017 06:56 PM

What do you mean side to side? And yeah rotors will contact pads. There are no springs to push them back.

icantlearn 07-04-2017 06:59 PM

The pads will move towards the front and rear of the car, but not from driver to passenger side. Same with front, but not as easily.

icantlearn 07-22-2017 07:54 PM

Bueller?....anyone?

Jumbosrule 07-27-2017 01:41 PM

Is this on track or on the street that you experience knockback?

It's known that the Miata knuckle flexes over about 1.2g (ish) in cornering... this is enough to cause knockback on track, especially if you have larger than stock rotors.

I assume you have a two-peice rotor with the Wilwood kit - does it appear to "wobble" when you spin it by hand without the wheel attached? Have you checked bolt torque on your caliper brackets?

icantlearn 07-27-2017 04:15 PM

[QUOTE=Jumbosrule;1430231]Is this on track or on the street that you experience knockback?[\QUOTE]

Both. But only if I drive agressiveley in the street. Sudden right to left movement (sloloms) will do it every time.

[QUOTE]It's known that the Miata knuckle flexes over about 1.2g (ish) in cornering... this is enough to cause knockback on track, especially if you have larger than stock rotors.[\QUOTE]

Hmm. Did not know this. I am pulling over 1.2 for sure on track but not on the street.


Originally Posted by Jumbosrule (Post 1430231)
I assume you have a two-peice rotor with the Wilwood kit - does it appear to "wobble" when you spin it by hand without the wheel attached? Have you checked bolt torque on your caliper brackets?

It does not wobble. Have not checked bolt torque. But I would find it hard to believe that would be the issue

Art 07-27-2017 05:13 PM

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icantlearn 07-27-2017 07:38 PM

Radial

aidandj 07-27-2017 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by MiataMan00 (Post 1430311)
Radial Lug mount

FTFY

icantlearn 07-27-2017 11:21 PM

oh. I thought I read somewhere it was a radial mount. Guess I was wrong. Thanks Adian.

codrus 07-27-2017 11:46 PM

The Dynapro is available in both radial and lug mount forms. The TSE kit is lug mount because that's more convenient (it bolts up to the same bracket as the Dynalite) and because most of the stiffness improvements from radial mount calipers really only apply if you've got an upright with radial mounting holes on it.

--Ian

NiklasFalk 07-28-2017 02:24 AM

They both have the name "Dynapro" but have noticeable differences in dimensions.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...21257a9ed7.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6b5f18af4c.jpg
Both requires adapters but the radial mount caliper itself "feels" beefier (longer and wider).

Art 07-28-2017 05:28 AM

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bbundy 07-28-2017 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1430361)
The Dynapro is available in both radial and lug mount forms. The TSE kit is lug mount because that's more convenient (it bolts up to the same bracket as the Dynalite) and because most of the stiffness improvements from radial mount calipers really only apply if you've got an upright with radial mounting holes on it.

--Ian

The lug mount and the radial Dynapro calipers are radically different and don't even use the same pads. There is almost no difference whatsoever in performance between a Lug mount Dynapro and a Cheap lug mount Dynalite. The radial Dynapro however is a drastic upgrade. 50% more pad life because they are thicker, the caliper design is much stiffer with bigger bolts holding the halves together on a larger spread bolt pattern, and it allows for better clearance in the radial direction for stuffing big rotors in small wheels by almost 5mm.

icantlearn 07-28-2017 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by bbundy (Post 1430452)
The lug mount and the radial Dynapro calipers are radically different and don't even use the same pads. There is almost no difference whatsoever in performance between a Lug mount Dynapro and a Cheap lug mount Dynalite.

Then why do they make the lug mount dynapro? That makes no sense.


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