30mm fenders for 245's on 15x10 NA & NB
 

Interest in 30mm fenders for the 245 Maxxis on 15x10?

We have both an NA and NB project in our shop that need fenders to accommodate the 15x10 6UL and Maxxis 245/40/15 VR-1. Unfortunately there are no vendors currently supplying any. I chatted with Dave Green today DG Motorsports

I told him about the new tire a lot of Miata owners will be getting and asked if he would be interested in doing fenders for both bodies. He has an NA at his shop and had planned to design some new body panels for it anyway. So we are sending a 15x11 with 275 and 15x10 with 245 for mocking up. For those of you not familiar with DG motorsports, it is high quality stuff. You won't see the "mostly finished, sorta fits" AK type of parts from DG. Costs a few bucks more maybe but well worth it if you are hacking into your Miata already. DG has been doing parts for Goodwin for years too.

Plane is for a complete FRP front fender and complete FRP rear qtr panel. One could probably order carbon too but I'm guessing most here will be happy with FRP.

Dave is going to get some measurements off their current NA and NB widebody, which looks like its 15x11/275 friendly already.

pic of the current DGM ND widebody. Not sure how wide these are exactly but we'll find out.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0f6bef926.jpg?

Id be interested in rears so i could fit a larger/wider tire to put power down depending on the price shipped. I am not a fan of just tacking on flares.

Ha, I was just looking at AK and CarbonMiata. I was about to post a nice ranting thread about why can't these body guys make something that looks nice and flows and doesn't fit like trash (my old car was a kevlar AK wide body and it was a waste of 3k)

I may be interested depending on time frame and if it sticks to the OEM body lines and doesn't had dumb aero cut outs and integral side skirts and other trash.

Dave is of the same frame of mind. Integrated and OEM looking, not rocket bunny. I used the example of the C6 vs the C6 Z06.

This is one of the few widebody/flare threads that I'm thoroughly appreciating/approving.

Clean/OEM looking Molded flares >>>>>>> hacked/bolted on trash

Very excited to see this happen.

Looking forward to it!

I like where this is headed.

I'm definitely interested in a widebody, and I've been looking very hard at the autokonexion GT.

I really love the front bumper and fenders on that kit, I'm less in love with the rear bolt on fenders of that kit, but they aren't bad, and I wish they didn't have the exposed fasteners.

I'm currently waiting on an autokonexion fastback, hopefully that shows up by the end of the month, we'll see.

I don't care for the current DG motorsports NA widebody all that much. I don't know how to put this without sounding like an idiot, but the flares are too abrupt, especially on the front fender.

So if they are making a new version, my vote goes to a smoother more gradual fender flare.

Yes, please!

Looks clean! Should have broad based appeal. Most of the previous wide body stuff was kinda rough and catered to track cars. A quality version should sell well.

I May be showing my age, or complete ignorance...but these remind me of the awr kit.....alot.

We're they one in the same once?

The current DG kit is the old AWR kit and yes, the flares are not well integrated. Dave tells me he "inherited" the tooling and it isn't exactly what he would have come up with either.

I had to give up on Mike (AK). After loaning him the car to build the mold, designing the NB fender and cutting my qtr panels off, he stopped returning my calls/emails. Many other projects stalled waiting for panels from him. Super nice guy but perhaps too many life issues to effectively run a business. I couldn't give him money for a car part if I tried.

Bingo. That's pretty much everyone's complaint with the AWR designed kit. Nice but if you are going to the trouble to do a complete fender, then why not fully integrate the shape into the OEM body lines. That said, some people really like that tacked on flare kind of look. But I think that group is a minority, thus the reason for this thread.

Dave isn't opposed to the idea of tossing out the old widebody kit and doing a fresh, fully integrated kit but that's really for the 257 on 11's, of which there are far fewer. This thread is really about a smaller fender kits specifically sized for the 245 on 10. Deviate (our K20 NA build) will never get 11's so I don't want to add spacers to 10's to get then to look halfway decent. I want my 10's to fit just like our 9 with 225 does on a stock fender.

Yeah, I've read a lot of threads on various forums about autokonexions poor customer service. Their website started saying they were going to try to do things differently so I decided to take a chance and got on the waiting list for a fastback. I'm hoping they deliver.

The problem is they are the only ones making fastbacks, and widebodies that I really like.

I have a fantasy of buying their molds and just starting a business to sell the parts myself, lol.

When i bought my GT wide body kit back in 2012/2013 he had decent customer service.But the quality and fitment were lacking.

As far as quality, i bought the kevlar kit and if you held it up to sunlight there were many many voids of pure resin. I was a little disappointed that they only received one layer of kevlar with some loose strand fiberglass splattered on the back. I know i wasn't going to get F1 pre-preg vacuum bagged parts but i expected decent materials usage.

I could get over the lack of layers, but the fitment was plain crap.

I expected a little sanding and drilling holes and basic work to fit. But I'm talking things being very off. The mounting flange that runs down the length of the fender sat at about a 20 degree angle relative to the chassis. so you have to flex it bad when you bolt it down putting stress into the part. also the side skirts fit like shit, and the mounting points on the trunk i bought make a wicked big seam gap at the rear of the trunk.

I spend over $3000 with him on parts and i don't feel that i got $3000 quality.

Would be really great if we could get something semi-stock looking as well as high quality, I've only heard increasingly bad things about AK over the years

I am interested.

and if for some reason these can not accommodate a stock bumper, please make a ep/crusher style bumper, stock look flat front with no cutouts.

Honda drag style but less flare.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1457047814

If it's comparable in price to the NB kit, I'm in.

The NB price at $1100 is pretty good for quality pieces.

The current NB kit, the old AWR design is a partial rear fender. We are only really considering a complete rear fender so I have a feeling the cost might be a bit more. If I'm going to hack the car apart get it painted and go through all this trouble I don't mind a few extra hundred bucks to make sure that it actually fits properly.

Yes please, four complete fenders.

In (though you already know this ;) )

DG does quality stuff. They make many of our body pieces for the NC; everything from lip spoilers to full one-piece front clips. The turbo NC here has every body piece replaced with carbon by them besides the rear quarter, and just got a set of flares done in CF to round that out. Everything is top notch.

I'd like to see a full panel that allows one to cut out the steel quarter panel behind it if they so desired - just leave the perimeter of the quarter panel for the new composite fender to be bonded to.

Having just gone through the effort to make the existing DG (ex-AWR) wide-body kit work, I can attest to the fitment issues. Much custom work required (at great expense), if you want it to blend nicely. And the rears are way wider than the fronts, for some reason.

I second the motion for integrated front fascia, instead of the adapter panels. Getting wide wheels/tires to fit at full compression and steering lock requires significant cuts to the fascia, which in turn creates significant aero exposure to the tire.

From a visual standpoint, I'm not a fan of the NASA PT/ST style straight-down air dam, but understand the rules implications. Would rather see an integration that blends nicer into a splitter, with openings for brake ducts at the appropriate place. Both of these adds can be optional, but making provision for them in the design makes it way easier.

For those that missed my build thread, here's what the existing wide-body kit can look like with lots of man-hours of work...

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1454022748

Having used the AK 30mm fenders, I know it's possible to blend them into the front fascia. I'm more concerned with just getting the tires on the car so our focus will be just fenders, not a new front skin too. That said, an aero nose is an interesting project.. that I will leave to someone else to do. Ryan's name all over it :)

We talked to DG about doing a Production-style full front bumper last year, but it just didn't make enough sense to go down that road. That product would be fighting an uphill battle against the budget-friendly DIY version that is so well documented at this point that the market for it would be very small. And it would have to be urethane, which drives the price up over fiberglass. Tire spats may not be the prettiest thing, but they're easy to make and solve the aero issues. I have plenty of wild ideas for a really aero nose, but the further it strays from an OE look that would work on lots of cars, the smaller the market shrinks.. and we're back to DIY being the best bang for the buck.

I want something that looks like autokonexion aero fenders for an NB.

If you are looking for anything that is not OEM shaped, I would go to carbonmiata.com

Interested

In for NA AWR style fenders. In my eyes, there hasn't been any other option than the AWR kit that looks good and actually helps aero somewhat. Bolt on anything looks like crap. No companies seem to understand the need for covering the tires up as much as possible.

curious about time frame

None right now. Dave will have to fit this into his schedule and we'll go from there. We don't plan on offering any resultant kit so stuff like ETA, prices and all that we'll leave to whomever the retail channel is, be that DG direct or perhaps Goodwin. We just brought news to Dave of the new demand for such a kit because of affordable 245/40/15 options from Maxxis (and 6UL's from us).

I'm confused... I read that the 245/40/15 maxxis tire on a 10" 6UL will fit under an NB with only a fender roll...

Why would NB owners want 30mm wider fenders?

Do the 245 maxxis stick out significantly even with the roll?

Thanks

^^ I was under that impression too.

That said, I do think 30mm fenders and running 15x10 with a slightly higher offset would give more breathing room and get rid of the usual contact issues with UCA/Sway bar etc with +25 in 15x10 or +36 in 15x9.

Something like these fenders with a 15x10 +15 like you can get Jongbloed's in would be nice.

Confused/curious as well. Been on the verge of clicking "checkout" on 949s site, but I don't want to have to add fenders aswell.

He just posted pics in another thread with the 245's on 15x10 6UL's fitting his personal 01 NB with just a flat roll.