why run 15X9 wheels and only use a 225 tire?
So bash away if you must but what is the point of using a 9" wide wheel and then fitting a 225 tire that has only 8" of tread width? Is there really much more grip than a 7.5" or 8" wide wheel using a 205 width tire that has around 7.7" tread width? Or for that matter run the 225 on the 15X8.
Am I totally missing the point or is this just aesthetics. |
i know 205's on a 8 is somewhat stretched, id assume a 225 on an 1" wider will would be bout the same....
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Find a wider tyre in a 15'' that isn't a slick. You can't.
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No, as far as I know a lot of the people with 15x9 6UL's on here run 225. I believe it's mainly because of tire selection in the 225+ range. Don't quote me on that though, I only have piddly 7" wheels.
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1. With the exception of the 275/35 Hoosiers, there is no tire in the correct diameter wider than 225mm for a 15" wheel
2. 15x9s with 225s are faster than 15x8s with 225s, end of story |
isnt the tire selection of 15's alot better than 16's this is the problem i am having. im wanting to bump up to a 16x9 and looking to run a 245.
Tire talk has always confused the fuck outta me...:facepalm: |
i have always had the theory of if a tyre is stretched the tread of the tyre is pulled flatter giving you more rubber in contact with the road, or is that just a excuse to have stretched tyres lol
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Originally Posted by owengt
(Post 605089)
i have always had the theory of if a tyre is stretched the tread of the tyre is pulled flatter giving you more rubber in contact with the road, or is that just a excuse to have stretched tyres lol
I still don't understand why no one makes a 245/40/15 in a street tire. I guess it wasn't too long ago that you couldn't find anything wider than a 205. You would think that since the 225/45/15's seem to be constantly sold out that someone would figure out that there was some demand for a wider tire. |
this was the widest i could find with a sensible profile, its a semi slick track day tyre but road legal in the uk. dont know if it is on your side of the pond but they are trying to make them illegal on the roads here by 2012, how gaaaaaaaaaaaaay
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Were you planning on posting a link or picture? Cause you didn't.
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Yes, that was the spec tire for SM last year. They hated it for endurance reasons I believe, and they're back on RA-1's. Like Sav said, there are only slicks available in 225+ sizes. That's a shaveable slick, but still a slick. And still only 235.
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i know i am collecting my first mx5 in a few weeks when the guys sort out his other car and i have been looking at 15x9 wheel ( links please coz im finding fuck all lol) and then a tyre to fit it. i was going to use a semi slick anyway as i wanna get the most out of them before they ban them. Its wierd that a wheels size exists but not a tyre size to match
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I did say stock diameter for a reason. 24.25" is not stock diameter by any stretch of the word. It's hard to fit a 225/50 on the front of a lowered NA, 235/50 would be nearly impossible. I bet you lose time between a 225/45 and a 235/50.
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agreed with just about everyone here: because pretty much nothing else is available in 15"
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2. 15x9s with 225s are faster than 15x8s with 225s, end of story[/QUOTE]
Does anyone else agree with this? seems that a 15X8 with a 225 would be a better choice and a lighter set up as well. I was also just concerned with street tires. So I guess I was just trying to find out if there was any real benefit from the 15X9. Thanks for all the input. |
Originally Posted by jawd75
(Post 605201)
Does anyone else agree with this?
He did say end of story. You should trust Sav has tested this a few times at the track. |
My question then is, which tyre should be used on a 15 x 7 or a 15 x 7.5 wheel?
To be placed on a 225 WHP turbo NA car. I'm thinking maybe, 205's up front with 15 x 7 wheels and 225's in the rear with 15 x 7.5 6UL wheels. What do guys think? |
7's will fit 225 iirc. just run 225 all around
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 605109)
I did say stock diameter for a reason. 24.25" is not stock diameter by any stretch of the word. It's hard to fit a 225/50 on the front of a lowered NA, 235/50 would be nearly impossible. I bet you lose time between a 225/45 and a 235/50.
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Originally Posted by owengt
(Post 605095)
I have my car setup and run 275/35/15’s for autocross with a slight bit of rubbing on the inboard side so I can make big width fit but the big thing is diameter needs to be really close to stock to work on a properly set up Miata that retains original sheet metal inner fender. This narrows the tire selection pool a lot. Need like a 40 aspect ratio or less to go wider. Bob |
Originally Posted by jawd75
(Post 605201)
2. 15x9s with 225s are faster than 15x8s with 225s, end of story
Does anyone else agree with this? seems that a 15X8 with a 225 would be a better choice and a lighter set up as well. I was also just concerned with street tires. So I guess I was just trying to find out if there was any real benefit from the 15X9. Thanks for all the input. Now if your only conscerned about the street, the lightest wheels you can get makes the car feel zippy and the narrower rims give a smoother ride. Bob |
Originally Posted by jawd75
(Post 605201)
Does anyone else agree with this? seems that a 15X8 with a 225 would be a better choice and a lighter set up as well. I was also just concerned with street tires. So I guess I was just trying to find out if there was any real benefit from the 15X9. Thanks for all the input.
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I've driven a 225 and a 205 on an 8 and the 205 felt much better. The slight stretch is how its supposed to be done and you can see that executed on any and every big-budget racecar. The 225 on the 9 feels incredible and makes the car feel precise.
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I went from low tread (but still fast) ra1s on 15x8s to new nt01s on 15x9s. The 9s were noticeably grippier. Not the most controlled experiment, but enough to convince me that 9s are faster and now I don't bother using the 8s on the track anymore.
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Same here. I switched from 15x8 to 15x9 this season and they are much nicer, faster turn-in and more grip.
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The biggest thing I noticed was turn-in crispness. The 9s have so much more feel and feedback than the 8s did.
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I feel like the guy with a small penis in a gang bang scene.
225 on my 7" wheels were much gripper than the 185 stock tires obviously, but it was noticeably squishier, if that makes sense. It lost some of it's immediate turn in crispness. |
I codrove a big-boost M45 at an autocross like 3 weeks ago, and since I'm an elitist prick we swapped his 205/55-14 NT-01s on 14x6s for a set of 9s and 225s. His comment after his first run was just "wow".
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Back when i ran 99 wheels with 205 NT-01's it was pretty easy to put that tire on the dime. I had a revellation after about 4-track days on the 9's....I wasn't using the tire. The limit on 9's compared to skinnies is so far out that I couldn't really comprehend the limit. You I have to really scare the shit out of myself to "use" the 9's.
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The big difference that I notice between an 8” and a 9” with the 225’s is like in say a 90mph sweeping turn. Where your sphincter is puckered to begin with. Even worse on a 7”. I think 205 is as wide as should be mounted on a 7”.
With the narrower wheel you feel the tires outer edge kind of roll under and dig in with the slip angle changing less with cornering force changes as you near the traction limit then as you go over the limit it kind of pops loose and when you bring it back in it snaps back. The behavior is more non linear. With the wider wheels the slip angle to cornering force relationship near the traction is much more linear and you can drive more smoothly at and even slightly over the limit. The increase in ability to get everything out of the tire is as much to do with the lower lap times as the increase in grip levels. Bob |
Got sidewall stability?
I'd imagine it's the same difference I felt between a 235/40 and 215-40 tires on a 17x7.5 wheel. Though the 235 felt like it had more available grip, steering input and at the limit driving felt a bit more muted. |
Originally Posted by Doppelgänger
(Post 607160)
Got sidewall stability?
I'd imagine it's the same difference I felt between a 235/40 and 215-40 tires on a 17x7.5 wheel. Though the 235 felt like it had more available grip, steering input and at the limit driving felt a bit more muted. Bob |
on a 85 sec race track, gained a consistent 1.5-2 sec going from a 15x7 to 15X9. everything else constant. 225 R888's.
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That's one of the nice things about setting up the Catfish; our "stock" setup is 245/35's on 17x9's. Although there's limited rubber at that size (Toyo R1R), the word that does come to mind is "wow" after you've had a chance to sample the cornering grip. Tires are at 20psi.
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Originally Posted by cordycord
(Post 1041408)
That's one of the nice things about setting up the Catfish; our "stock" setup is 245/35's on 17x9's. Although there's limited rubber at that size (Toyo R1R), the word that does come to mind is "wow" after you've had a chance to sample the cornering grip. Tires are at 20psi.
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Originally Posted by endura
(Post 1041684)
20psi hot? car weight?
The Thunderhill car weighed more than this with a full cage and started at 26psi. They quickly found out that the car was using only a fraction of its tire. I think they carefully dropped 5-6psi by the end of the race, which is a huge margin. We ran the car with a naked frame through an autocross course with some 949 15x9's, and the tire tread did not start to roll to the edge until 21psi, with national champion auto crossers driving. The vid is on the website. It's takes some talent and patience to be able to make suspension, spring rates, camber, sway bars and tire pressure all work together. |
We do this thread every six months. You want a slight stretch, makes the car feel great and handle sharply. There is a reason this is done on real racecars.
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All I've heard so far is, wider wheels are faster! Well, they are. The slight stretch increases cornering stiffness of the tire. If you look at the tire slip angle curve below (slip angle on x-axis, lateral force on y-axis), there is the region that is linear (from 0 to a some small slip angle). Being able to see the values on the graph doesn't matter, because depending on the tire size/compound/etc could range from 2 degrees to 13. Cornering stiffness measures the slope of that linear portion as it crosses the graphs origin. Increasing cornering stiffness may not increase peak force (though sometimes it does!), but more importantly it makes the tire build force faster (increasing response), and overall nets a greater area under the curve.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 606313)
I codrove a big-boost M45 at an autocross like 3 weeks ago, and since I'm an elitist prick we swapped his 205/55-14 NT-01s on 14x6s for a set of 9s and 225s. His comment after his first run was just "wow".
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