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Old 08-28-2015, 06:58 PM   #3321
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You fixed it nm

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<p>That expensive. 41 each.</p>
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Old 08-28-2015, 07:00 PM   #3323
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I clicked on the wilwood link and got your f100 album. Thought you were fuking around. The touch screen on my phone doesn't work like it used to.
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<p>I'm not finding anything obvious without using a M10x1 to 3an adapter.</p>
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<p>Can't find an M10x1 female to 3an. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist but I haven't found it yet.</p><p>Getting that made in a DOT certified brake line in small quantities is $$$.</p>
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Edit: Earls 361-989534

I've got it down to $43 shipped for a wilwood-esque set, m10x1 adapters for $12, 3an npt adapters for $7, 16" 3an line for $24. NPT-NPT brake lines can't exist, I know I can find a NPT to 3AN brake line. I found some, just too long. If I could get those around the same price, there's only one adapter and the lines would be that much cheaper.

I paid $52 something, so about ten bucks cheaper and waiting for multiple shipments.

Why the hell they not just swedge the NPT fitting on there? That's what I thought I was buying. That end of the line does not need to swivel for assembly, not if you do it right.

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Wilwood 220 11751 16 inch Flexline Front Brake Line Kit 1995 05 Miata | eBay
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Old 08-28-2015, 07:18 PM   #3327
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<p>I assume there is a good reason. Not sure what it is though.</p><p>AN3 is brakeline standard.</p><p>Props to 949. I don't think I can beat their price DIY, especially if I don't want extra dapters, which i don't.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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Old 08-28-2015, 07:26 PM   #3328
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<p>I think I know why its 3AN.</p><p>Isn't NPT a compression fitting, and can degrade over time if you take it in and out?</p><p>Whereas 3AN can be used over and over again.</p><p>So you leave the NPT fitting in the caliper and then you can swap calipers as much as you want.</p>
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Old 08-28-2015, 08:06 PM   #3329
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That would make sense.

I'm not gonna not use these lines, but if there were a next time I'd probably DIY.
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I think I can get a 3an line at the auto parts store, that would be the only other advantage of having that earls adapter fitting.

I can't imagine ever needing to replace lines on the road, and 949 does ship really fast.
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<p>Its another failure point i dont want.</p>
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<p>deezums, are they orange?</p>
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Yeah, orange
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<p>I think I know why its 3AN.</p><p>Isn't NPT a compression fitting, and can degrade over time if you take it in and out?</p><p>Whereas 3AN can be used over and over again.</p><p>So you leave the NPT fitting in the caliper and then you can swap calipers as much as you want.</p>
NPT is not a compression fitting. A compression fitting is a ferrule with a small slide-on clearance over a tube that gets squished into the tube as you tighten the nut.

NPT is a tapered thread. It's not going to get looser based on taking it on and off unless you overtighten it, but it's something of a PITA because you need something to fill the gaps and seal it (teflon tape or paste), whereas AN uses flared faces that seal to each other dry.

All of the Wilwood lines I've seen (including those from Goodwin, FM, and TSE) are single-piece with NPT threads on one end and Mazda flare nuts on the other end. I'm not sure why it would matter though, because why would you need to take the hydraulic line off the caliper frequently?

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NPT is not a compression fitting. A compression fitting is a ferrule with a small slide-on clearance over a tube that gets squished into the tube as you tighten the nut.<br />
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<br />NPT is a tapered thread. It's not going to get looser based on taking it on and off unless you overtighten it, but it's something of a PITA because you need something to fill the gaps and seal it (teflon tape or paste), whereas AN uses flared faces that seal to each other dry.<br />
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<br />All of the Wilwood lines I've seen (including those from Goodwin, FM, and TSE) are single-piece with NPT threads on one end and Mazda flare nuts on the other end. I'm not sure why it would matter though, because why would you need to take the hydraulic line off the caliper frequently?<br />
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<br />Thanks for the correction. Are you sure they are one piece? I couldn't find an M10x1 to npt on wilwoods site.
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<br />Thanks for the correction. Are you sure they are one piece? I couldn't find an M10x1 to npt on wilwoods site.
Well, the FM lines aren't an off-the-shelf Wilwood line, it's something they made up. You made me go out and check, though, and now I'm not sure if it's one piece or two piece. The instructions didn't have me install an adapter into the caliper before attaching the line, but they might have simply been pre-assembled into a single piece. There are clearly two parts at the end of the hose, but I can't tell if it's a one-piece hose end with an adapter threaded into it, or a two-piece hose end like the Earl's AN ones.

The Goodwin line on the other side (long story as to why I have a Goodwin line on one side and FM on the other) is the same way. Looking at the photos of the TSE lines that I sold, though, they're clearly using adapters because they're a different color.

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You can't have a swivel NPT fitting, or if you do it will have a very complex and weird internal flare much like an AN fitting, so it may as well be a two piece adapter. Assembly without a swivel would be possible, but it would suck.

All these other fittings are a threaded collar pulling a taper seal together.

FM website shows a NPT to 3AN adapter at the caliper. I'm nearly certain that's how they are all done at this point.
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AFAIK all the Wilwood brake lines use a 1/8"NPT to -3AN adapter, and then a -3AN to M10x1.0 IF line.
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