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Old 06-05-2012, 12:03 AM   #2901
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Faefae, how in the world are you having trouble putting a tranny in? I mean, with as much time as you've spent struggling with it, you could have pulled the engine, put the tranny on outside of the car, and then put the engine back in. Easily.

BTW, Faefae. I'm seriously considering a BW S200SX S246 thanks to your comments ages ago. What is spool like on your BW?
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Faefae, how in the world are you having trouble putting a tranny in? I mean, with as much time as you've spent struggling with it, you could have pulled the engine, put the tranny on outside of the car, and then put the engine back in. Easily.

BTW, Faefae. I'm seriously considering a BW S200SX S246 thanks to your comments ages ago. What is spool like on your BW?
it spools like ghandi on ice. this is a pretty big turbo on a crappy motor

1st gear: 9psi @ 8000RPM
2nd gear: 22psi @ 8000RPM
3rd gear: 35psi @ 75000RPM
4th gear: 35psi @ 6000RPM
5th gear: 35psi @ 5000RPM
6th gear: ????

give or take depending on ambient temperature.



s246 will probably spool better than my old GT30 which means

4th gear: 25psi by 4000RPM

probably will also do 400hp no sweat. and it costs $550!!!!!!!!! and no water cooling!




I don't -want- to pull the damn motor. why should i have to pull it when the trans is already unbolted and crap. Fuckying fucky.
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id come help ya out, but i broke a front shock today lol
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it spools like ghandi on ice. this is a pretty big turbo on a crappy motor

1st gear: 9psi @ 8000RPM
2nd gear: 22psi @ 8000RPM
3rd gear: 35psi @ 75000RPM
4th gear: 35psi @ 6000RPM
5th gear: 35psi @ 5000RPM
6th gear: ????

give or take depending on ambient temperature.



s246 will probably spool better than my old GT30 which means

4th gear: 25psi by 4000RPM

probably will also do 400hp no sweat. and it costs $550!!!!!!!!! and no water cooling!




I don't -want- to pull the damn motor. why should i have to pull it when the trans is already unbolted and crap. Fuckying fucky.
I'm seriously considering the S246, but the S246 supposedly maxes out at 37 lbs/min. How can it spool that poorly when it's targetted at 2.0L and smaller engines?

http://www.theboostlab.com/store/pro...SX%252d46.html for specifications.

The 246 is closest to the 2871 in flow, so it baffles me how it would spool like a GT30.

As for pulling the motor Faefae...

At this point, you have more time in the tranny install then it would have taken you to just pull the engine, swap trannies, and reinstall. You'd be done and have the new tranny in already bro, if you had done it from the start.

Plus, you have some pretty expensive stuff to take a chance of ------- up - it's not going in easily, and trying to force it takes a great risk of screwing it up.
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:19 AM   #2905
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id come help ya out, but i broke a front shock today lol
i have some nb shocks in my foyer... springs and uh shocks no top hatties
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I'm seriously considering the S246, but the S246 supposedly maxes out at 37 lbs/min. How can it spool that poorly when it's targetted at 2.0L and smaller engines?

http://www.theboostlab.com/store/pro...SX%252d46.html for specifications.

The 246 is closest to the 2871 in flow, so it baffles me how it would spool like a GT30.
Nono no no no

I have the Borg S300SX 66mm turbo. s246 is 46mm! That is spool data for MY turbo NOT the s246!


And it flows quite a LOT more than a 2860 which also has a 46mm inducer. Exducer and turbine are a lot larger and also t4 housing. Turbine size and housing equal less backpressure so even more timing. I am buying soviet's since it will bolt right up where my current turbo is. Some day I want to run it and see how it does on 30psi. Some day. It will not max out at 300hp. 400hp
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i have some nb shocks in my foyer... springs and uh shocks no top hatties
thats a long drive with a broken off shock lol
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Nono no no no

I have the Borg S300SX 66mm turbo. s246 is 46mm! That is spool data for MY turbo NOT the s246!


And it flows quite a LOT more than a 2860 which also has a 46mm inducer. Exducer and turbine are a lot larger and also t4 housing. Turbine size and housing equal less backpressure so even more timing. I am buying soviet's since it will bolt right up where my current turbo is. Some day I want to run it and see how it does on 30psi. Some day. It will not max out at 300hp. 400hp
Well, I read that Faefae. 9psi by 8000rpm isn't acceptable to me - full boost by 4k rpm is marginal but acceptable. Got a ballpark idea of how the S246 would spool in 1st Faefae? I would imagine it is somewhere in the range of how a 2871 would spool, considering we are talking ewg and whatnot.
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i take it because first gear goes by so fast the turbo cant even spool as the reason why it barely spools to 9psi?
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i take it because first gear goes by so fast the turbo cant even spool as the reason why it barely spools to 9psi?
Grrrr

Yes the s246 will spool kinda like a 2871 maybe a bit slower but it will have less backpressure which means more hp per psi

No my car is slow from 0-60. At least it was for the 3 hours it worked in 2012
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Grrrr

Yes the s246 will spool kinda like a 2871 maybe a bit slower but it will have less backpressure which means more hp per psi

No my car is slow from 0-60. At least it was for the 3 hours it worked in 2012
check your pm's bro, ill see if i can work something out to come help ya
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please post pics of your car in its current state
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Grrrr

Yes the s246 will spool kinda like a 2871 maybe a bit slower but it will have less backpressure which means more hp per psi

No my car is slow from 0-60. At least it was for the 3 hours it worked in 2012
Well, I'm officially going back and forth between the GT2560R and the s246 then.

Too bad the s246 doesn't have better spool, otherwise I'd jump on it like Pushy jumping on a gay bro.
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Blaen if you want a 246 I have a new one sitting in my office as decoration. I bought it for cheap.

Then again I got this text from fae...
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Faeflora: I wanna biy ur s246 now before u sell it. Use the funds for ur sr20 rig 12:41 AM
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Well, I'm officially going back and forth between the GT2560R and the s246 then.

Too bad the s246 doesn't have better spool, otherwise I'd jump on it like Pushy jumping on a gay bro.
I think you don't know what you want.
You're essentially talking about a t25 and 30r size turbos. Nowhere near the same. Also if you did any research at all you'd realize all the old school borgs LOVE high boost, and are very laggy at low boost because of their big blade wheels with extended tips, and only come alive past 20psi.

They're fantastic turbos, just not something a dinky stock motor BP can properly put to use.
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Blaen if you want a 246 I have a new one sitting in my office as decoration. I bought it for cheap.

Then again I got this text from fae...
Soviets S246 is mine.


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I think you don't know what you want.
You're essentially talking about a t25 and 30r size turbos. Nowhere near the same. Also if you did any research at all you'd realize all the old school borgs LOVE high boost, and are very laggy at low boost because of their big blade wheels with extended tips, and only come alive past 20psi.

They're fantastic turbos, just not something a dinky stock motor BP can properly put to use.
Yah what he said. The turbine is big. That means slow spool. You can make up for that a bit with big timing but still.

Bleen u know u r gonna be a puss and run like 15psi tops even if u build ur motor. Just grt the tiny turbo and retain u dignity
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Bleen u know u r gonna be a puss and run like 15psi tops even if u build ur motor. Just grt the tiny turbo and retain u dignity
I can't tell if you're drunk or on a phone.
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18psi: I'm aware.

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Yah what he said. The turbine is big. That means slow spool. You can make up for that a bit with big timing but still.

Bleen u know u r gonna be a puss and run like 15psi tops even if u build ur motor. Just grt the tiny turbo and retain u dignity
Great points, and I did tell Soviet you have first call on that 246 if you want it, Faefae. Seriously, if you want it, pick it up. I have no objections.

Although I'll be running a lot more than 15psi if I do pick it up, as I'll be running a built engine w/VVT next spring Faefae.
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Well, I read that Faefae. 9psi by 8000rpm isn't acceptable to me -
That is in first gear ... first gear boost is essentially pointless and unusable anyway.
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That is in first gear ... first gear boost is essentially pointless and unusable anyway.
True, but Soviet keeps talking me out of buying his s246 sadly.
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