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Old 06-22-2016, 09:10 AM   #221
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You have *****. When I first got my turbo going, I drove around with 2 fire extinguishers and never left town for a week.
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If you go to Colo Springs, drive up Pike's Peak while you are there. 14,110 feet and overlooks the city.
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On the EFR, are you able to just rotate the compressor housing or does the wastegate just mount to the back?

That location looks promising, I may be able to reuse my BEGi pipes... Though your solution looks way easier.
Compressor housing is independent of the wastegate canister mounting position. The flange at the back is drilled for several locations to accommodate the clocking of the turbing housing, but the compressor housing can rotate any which way so long as the core stays within 20 of vertical.

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Psyber: I have to crawl under the car, I have a concern that the front near the IC is kinked; I have no confirmation mind you, but I want to look to make sure because I can't remember if I actually checked there. The hose is very buckle resistant, the length helps a lot. Their silicone hoses are very robust though and I flex and bend these things every which way; didn't even have to remove them to pull the engine, just (carefully) shove them out of the way.

Six: Oh man, that's a great idea. Though I think I may only go to the end of pavement unless the gravel is in good condition. I'll have to GoPro some of the drives :-)

I haven't verified that the WGA and WG don't bind (can't dial the pressure down enough..) but it's not far from where it was positioned out of the box. It's gonna feel so weird not having my heat shielding for the filter and the MC/Booster. I want to try to solve that when I get the car back from the exhaust shop.
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Pikes Peak international hill climb is this weekend 6/26/16 .....
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I think it is pavement almost all the way now, or am I remembering the tv coverage wrong? None of it was paved back when I lived there. We hiked up the face from Manitou Springs to the summit and back. I never went to the top by car. It was a 3 day hike.
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Old 06-23-2016, 01:37 AM   #227
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Everything's done, coolant is in and short shifter installed. I had a hangup with the bushing that was sent with the shifter, it didn't fit in the spot that the factory bushing fits. I had to take the bushing off the base of the stock shifter and move it over for now. I'll have to call Bill in the AM, maybe I got the wrong bushing with my kit? The black tophat piece I'm supposed to put in there is like 1/8-3/16" too big.
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You got the big ball shifter kit. In the fine print on the shifter page you can read about it. Basically the 6 speed had 2 different size shifter ***** over the years. The Mr short shifter all use the small ball, but you can get 2 different sized bushings. You have the big ball bushing and a small ball trans.
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Old 06-23-2016, 04:17 AM   #229
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^ Makes total sense, the thing was rebuilt for a guy's track beast before being sold to the guy who sold it to me. I think the shifter bushing part(s) were swapped out with an earlier year transmission maybe? The VIN reflects a 2004 so I'm not sure what the deal is. Regardless I emailed Bill.
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Old 06-23-2016, 06:58 AM   #230
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Took all night but the car has been moved. The dolly and my GV front lip did not agree, had to pull it to get the car on the tire cradles. There's some damage on the edges that need to be glued back in place. Lucky me I have easy access to epoxy.
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Old 06-24-2016, 03:31 PM   #231
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Exhaust shop has not finished the downpipe yet, I offered them a little extra to get things finished before the trip. Bah!

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Old 06-25-2016, 06:43 PM   #232
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Holy **** guys, it's hot as hell out. 105* index and HUMID AS HELL. I have almost everything buttoned up, put the dei heat shield back on. Some of the rivets are failing, I was able to secure them for now but I'll have to use wire to secure them to the holder at a later date. Had issues driving the car as I didn't have a stop, but once I get going it's not bad really. Start from a stop is insane, mostly because I was having issues modulating the pedal. This adjustment should help a lot.

Finally cooled off, back out into the inferno I go.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:43 PM   #233
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Alright! After an almost 22h drive we made it to our destination in Colorado. I borrowed a friends hardtop (strikers don't fit w/ my roll bar..) and boy was that a quiet ride. I'm buying one of these things. Grand Junction is a nice place, not a lot of tolerance for a weak cooling system though. The car started climbing in temp as we approached the mountains. Halfway up highway 70 to the downhill section my temps actually started to peg the needle; we pulled over and I used the diag box to lock the fan into ON - Combined with using the heater we could manage to keep the temps down, but it was a challenge.

After talking with Jeremy we opted to put in a crossflow radiator and to remove my oil cooler. I added in their SPAL fan kit with the biggest motors I can fit. Since I don't have A/C I considered swapping the oil cooler to in front of the radiator later on in place of the condenser. I also have been considering something someone did with a 3d printer putting the cooler in front of the passenger tire. Really liked that idea, puts the cooler out of the way and reduces chances of overheating.

I'll take pics and post them later, Monday was mostly a sleep and relax day. After this trip I've been considering putting A/C back in though... We'll see how I feel in 85+ weather without running the heater at max to keep the car cool.
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I have returned from Colorado! The trip was quite fruitful, the drive was beautiful as well. One thing I can definitely say is it's HOT. Humidity typically in the teens lets you be active (in the shade) though and stay mostly dry lol.

- On the way home from work the week before the trip, I encountered THIS scene... WAT. Driving by, I still couldn't make out how they ended up upside down, maybe taking the corner too quick and got rear ended? Also found out the exhaust was not going to be finished in time. Made some calls to see if I could get it fabbed elsewhere but ultimately paid the guy a little extra labor to finish it Friday night and picked it up the following morning.


- Here's the engine bay mostly buttoned up (oil/water lines, some other misc work) for the most part, being prepped for trailering to the exhaust shop to get a downpipe fabbed up. I actually didn't notice the vacuum routing being wrong on the turbo, luckily I had no desire to boost with Lacey and all of our clothes in the car or a WOT would have made some crazy boost. Or it would, the WGA can was binding up at 1/3 open so it never closed. I had to really try to make boost. FM clocked the turbo and adjusted the WG can a little and found the can was hitting the hoot support so that had to be cut out a bit. The FM2 silicone hose held up well, the tiny amount of buckling from making it go where it doesn't belong gets blown round again when I hit boost so it's hardly noticeable.



- Here's the manifold after about 500 miles, the behavior seen here is typical and I was advised it would do this. It's some portion of the coating working it's way out of the coating as part of the curing process, they didn't clarify what it was. All of this material flakes right off with minimal pressure. The coloration changed to a darker shade on the coating, this was also something they advised would happen over time.


- Not the prettiest piping but it works!


- After dropping the car off at FM, Jeremy took me for a tour of the shop. I stopped by an Exxocet and snapped this picture from the tire contacting the chassis; my friend recently got one and commented that this could happen with not enough offset, but man is that a lot of deflection! Someone was having fun :-)


- Took this picture while walking up Highway(?) 6 to the Texas Roadhouse for some steak. Took 25 minutes and the sun was brutal the entire walk. Sunscreen highly advised!


- Got a nice ice cold Margarita while at the Roadhouse, they throw in a shot of Patrone for $2 so hell WHY NOT?!


- Snapped this in Colorado Springs after picking up the car and heading immediately there from FM. I had ZERO issues with overheating and the car ran like a champ. She ran very smooth even in the 90* heat and driving on asphalt. Don't mind the green tape, I forgot to remove it before leaving.


- Visiting Garden of the Gods near Colorado Springs on Friday (7-1) with Lacey and her sister's family. This place is beautiful. Lots of space to hike and climb the rock formations. I'll be returning here.




- Arrived a little late to our show due to traffic and rain coming from Colorado Springs. Sitting at Red Rocks listening to Shpongle before Beats Antique and the view was amazing. You can see Denver from where we were sitting though the camera failed to pick it up. At night the view was amazing. It was raining off and on during the show but not enough to get us to leave. Food was ridiculously expensive though, even for venue food. $32 for two footlong chilli-cheese dogs, chips, a Coors (ehhhhh) and a Pepsi. Not my idea of value.


- Found this guy had been rubbing on the filter and almost wore through; this line runs from the BOV from my FM2 kit, T's and runs over (under the filter) to the EFR BOV, and then to the CC module after going through a check valve. The CC module might need a vacuum canister after the check valve so it can operate better in the mountains. Worked great everywhere else. You can see the big SPAL motor and some of the crossflow rad in this picture.


- And now the part everyone is waiting for... I got an (uncorrected for the 4000' elevation difference) dyno comparison 91 vs e85. Check out those numbers! 346hp/279tq @ 208kpa on 91 octane and 428hp/338tq @ 230kpa on e85 - WOW! There's more room on the injectors too. The EBC has been setup and maintains boost very well, almost flat from target to redline. Typically I use PSI when I measure boost so I'll have to figure out what that corresponds to. I did a quick log on 91 and made 19psi, so probably mid to low 20s for e85?

At home (800' elevation) the spool moves left a great deal, I didn't get a chance to push the car yet but I was hitting boost at least what felt like 1k rpm sooner. Definitely lost a lot of the lag I was seeing up in the mountains. Shifting WOT->WOT the boost comes on almost instantly. I think dialing out a little more of the cams overlap (probably a deg or so each) will yield more spool as well as vacuum. Curious how increasing the LSA above 115 will affect things. I need to get an After dyno done at the same shop that did my tuning for the 2560 so I have a true 1:1 comparison at some point. Had to buy another o2 sensor because the one they bought for me (per Jeremy) was grey market, it calibrates but the idle AFR was off while running (14.0 vs 14.7). I really don't like this bit though, was not expecting to buy another sensor..


- There's also a comparison of my setup (Uncorrected) vs the FM2 2560 setup on 91 octane. It's not a true 1:1 as mentioned but it gives you a good idea.


Now I sit at work and make money to pay off all of this work, eagerly waiting for my lunch hour. I'll take some logs while out and about so I can get a better idea of what my boost builds like on e85 since I switched last night. Oh, and my K&N PCV breather filter over the exhaust manifold has been getting.... melty. Not quite failure temps but it gets mighty soft and bendy. Is there a one I can find that will withstand heat a little better? I might have to make a heat shield to protect it at some point.

Oh, and the epoxy wont hold on the GV front lip, so we'll be riveting the cracked sections to aluminum sheet to secure it in place. Janky, but it'll work until I get a replacement.​ Now I gotta get things prepped to sell the old turbo and gear to recoup some of this money
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Good gawd man! The cams seem to open up some serious power!
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Old 07-05-2016, 05:22 PM   #236
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Yeah, at 115 LSA I still think I can make power over 7500 RPM but I can't prove it until I get on a dyno. For now I'll play around and enjoy things.

Oh, I had the wrong (too big) poly bushing from MR for the short shifter, I was using the OEM one for the trip and boy was it sloppy. I missed the 3-4 gate and hit 3-2 twice yesterday while trying to shift quickly (stretching my legs) revving to just over redline in one case, thankfully the engine is overbuilt and handled it like a champ. I even see more vacuum now (WAT?). Put the correct one in last night and the drive to work today was MASSIVELY improved on shifting, I can get it into each gate much easier, though going from 4 to 5 or 6 still sucks, I'd rather have reverse to the left of 1-2 like a VW. :P
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I'm really looking forward to seeing the local dyno plot. It looks great - except for the torque!

I did a similar trip to yours but with my parents in a Hyundai Elantra so I know how gutless cars can be in the altitude, but I am really surprised to see the 200lb/ft threshold crossed so late in the RPM band.

Did FM let you do the radiator install in their shop since you bought it all from them? Did they do the work or did you do it yourself? I am running a mishimoto radiator as well and it may be contributing to my cooling problems.
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I'm really looking forward to seeing the local dyno plot. It looks great - except for the torque!
264/264 cams will do that. Great for top end power, not so much for the low end. Any comparison to a setup with stock cams is 100% apples to oranges.
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All work was completed by FM; ideally I would have installed things myself but TBH, the work they did looks really clean. It's unlikely they would let me use their shop and I was NOT looking forward to installing things in the 100* sun. I would have installed things myself beforehand however I had never had issues with overheating before. And I also hadn't taken by front lip off either.

The tune does need more work, Jeremy wanted more work to iron things out but I ran out of time. My friend needs to get his Exxocet tuned, I've been trying to talk him into cruising down there with both our cars so we can both get ours tuned. "That's a lot of time in the race suit and helmet..." heh
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264/264 cams will do that. Great for top end power, not so much for the low end. Any comparison to a setup with stock cams is 100% apples to oranges.
^ This. The cams need to be adjusted to gain more spool and midrange, I expected lower bottom end than normal. My goal was always to push the redline to somewhere around 8k hence the springs, valves, cams, etc. I know this turbo can flow more so I can just dial up the boost to flatten out torque and keep HP on the up and up. That's the goal at least, since the other cams I can source are the same size base circle I can always swap cams, set lash and experiment. Expensive since it requires a tune adjustment, so I probably wont get to this for a long while. The lower torque should I believe also help keep me from breaking the 6speed gears too.

Just got an email a few hours ago from Jeremy, he was looking at my TPS signal and found the signal was... less than stable. This never showed up on my logs, but the issue was rare enough to come up that I likely just never caught it;

My old sensor:


After he replaced it with one from salvage:
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