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Old 06-12-2016, 08:37 PM   #2741
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The timing table is ultra conservative and VE table looks like it had a seizure and rougher than even a base map. Get to work
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Yes. VE table is ugly. It will get smoothed and worked over.

Is the timing table too conservative? I'd rather start conservative and work up than start with det and pull timing.
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Yes, even for pump gas. 9* drop just entering boost is excessive and I would never even dip into the single digits on a built motor, and our gas is much worse
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:10 PM   #2744
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Alright. This one looks better. Not sure what was on there before.

This is the DIYAutotune basemap, scaled to match the table I want. Better?

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Old 06-12-2016, 09:39 PM   #2745
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Just double check base timing. I tuned to how the engine responded. Go down until it looses power, then go back up a degree or 2. That seems to be in the sub 10 range for a lot of cars. Might be doing things wrong but that's what I've been advised to do, especially with no knock control.

also remember with ID/ff injectors you'll see a table with really similar numbers everywhere, with only minor changes with decreased VE. You shouldn't have a 78 cell with 93 below it for instance. The engine will have the same VE at the same rpm, +/- a few due to turbo efficiency.

You ou basically said: "hey over 900rpm you're going to from a turbo 4 to a huge turbo v8 and back."
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:14 PM   #2746
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The VE table is weird. I haven't touched that. I dont think its been autotuned/touched up enough.

Current plan:

Before dyno:
- Check base timing
- Rough fuel in with det cans and make sure its not knocking. Smooth VE table.
At dyno:
- Pull to get fuel dialed. Target 11.5-11.8. Make sure no knock.
- Drop 2 degrees. See which way it goes. Adjust from there.
- Up boost.
- Repeat.
- Break 350whp.
- Don't crash car on the way home.
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:26 PM   #2747
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I was talking with Ben (Yank) last night and he was suggesting to target low 11's for AFR, that sounds good to me, and much better than the low 10's we are at now.

Cats to everyone for participating in tooning my car.
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Old 06-12-2016, 10:32 PM   #2748
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We can go low 11s. Anything is better than low 10s. We can also see what it does to power.
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Old 06-13-2016, 01:45 AM   #2749
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it should pick up a lot of power with a couple degrees more timing and 1 point afr
obviously all of the base maps are useless until you see what the car really wants/likes, but if you're paying for dyno time you shoudln't waste hours dialing in simple things.

if the car doesn't like the above table, then something's wrong

*edit: oh and fix it again, cause it's clearly still messed up (80-90kpa) and I'd probably drop 130-160 rows just a tad
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Old 06-13-2016, 02:02 AM   #2750
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It's a direct interpolation of the ms3pro basemap. There must be something funny in it. I wish KO had a load bearing dyno, but for now we will have to manage without.

Stock ms3pro basemap:



Wonder why it does that at 80-90
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Because a base map is a base map and when they say "2 years testing" it likely means "2 minutes to make sure car starts up and drives out of the driveway"

Then when your car runs rough, they tell you to tune it.

Which is correct basically.
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Hmmm. Makes sense. I'll pull some out of 130-160 and well go street tune the fuel. Fingers crossed we wont see det. But forged pistons.
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30* at 150 seems brave
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8.6:1. And I'll be pulling a few degrees in that range.
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basically just re-do the map manually because it's now taken you 6x the amount of effort "re-scaling" the DIY basemap than it would have to just plug in average run of the mill timing numbers to start with and just using the interpolate button.

bottom row 40
everything in vac at 39 (so up to like 50-60)
then taper down to around 27ish at 100kpa
then down about 1-2 degrees for every step after that

it's really simple stuff
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Fwiw rescaling a map takes 10 seconds with Soviets tool. Can you post g's map? Or another built VVT map you have. I'll just pull some timing from that and then add it back on the dyno.
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doesn't TS have a re-scale function?
actually I know it does. use it.

..and why are you guys idling at 19*

did I miss a memo?
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I use the idle timing and idle timing correction.

Haven't found rescale in TS I'll dig around
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Ahh, found it. Thats pretty awesome. I was always using soviets tool.
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You made me second-guess my memory of TS lol

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