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I wonder if maybe they were installed dry and tore or rolled up or something, like you said I don't see a lot of room to mess up the install.
The only other thing I can think of is they didn't get pressed down onto the valve guide thing far enough and the spring bucket trashed the top of em, ripped the oil seal spring out? I hope not, those would be a bitch to find.
The only other thing I can think of is they didn't get pressed down onto the valve guide thing far enough and the spring bucket trashed the top of em, ripped the oil seal spring out? I hope not, those would be a bitch to find.
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Pulled VC, everything looks just as it should. 16 valve stem seals, all have their spring thingys, they all look seated, nothing obviously contacting or ripped or torn. I dont fuking get it.
Can someone reassure me that stem seals are the only thing that can cause this and can in fact leak enough to cause that much smoking and puddling in my cylinders. Hug me and tell me everything will be ok. I just find it hard to believe, while at the same time, I dont know of anything else that can cause this.
I ordered these last night and should have them in time for the weekend.
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Can someone reassure me that stem seals are the only thing that can cause this and can in fact leak enough to cause that much smoking and puddling in my cylinders. Hug me and tell me everything will be ok. I just find it hard to believe, while at the same time, I dont know of anything else that can cause this.
I ordered these last night and should have them in time for the weekend.
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Im positive its not just burning the residual ****. Way to much smoke for going on to long. The plugs are covered and there is literally a tablespoon of oil on each piston. They were absolutely clean when I reassembled it.
The VC has a breaher on it, and I pulled the PCV anyway just to make sure the crankcase wasnt being pressurized. No help.
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Did any of your plugs have wet threads. Any oil in the spark plug holes?<br />
<br /><br />You've run it enough that any leftover oil from assembly would be gone. That would happen fast.<br />
<br /><br />Can you pull the intake manifold and try and see the valves?<br />
<br /><br />Rent a boroscope?
<br /><br />You've run it enough that any leftover oil from assembly would be gone. That would happen fast.<br />
<br /><br />Can you pull the intake manifold and try and see the valves?<br />
<br /><br />Rent a boroscope?
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Did any of your plugs have wet threads. Any oil in the spark plug holes?<br />
<br /><br />You've run it enough that any leftover oil from assembly would be gone. That would happen fast.<br />
<br /><br />Can you pull the intake manifold and try and see the valves?<br />
<br /><br />Rent a boroscope?
<br /><br />You've run it enough that any leftover oil from assembly would be gone. That would happen fast.<br />
<br /><br />Can you pull the intake manifold and try and see the valves?<br />
<br /><br />Rent a boroscope?
Agree about running it long enough to burn off residual, that happens in the first few minutes and never makes near the volume of smoke I am getting.
I can pull the intake
What would I look for with a borescope?
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<p>I would make sure the oil is coming from the valves.</p><p>Then depress a valve and see if it is coming from the seal.</p><p>You didn't install the seals right?</p><p>(this is why I didn't touch my valve seals, if it ain't broken beyond usage, don't fix it, thats my motto )</p>
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<p>I would make sure the oil is coming from the valves.</p><p>Then depress a valve and see if it is coming from the seal.</p><p>You didn't install the seals right?</p><p>(this is why I didn't touch my valve seals, if it ain't broken beyond usage, don't fix it, thats my motto )</p>
because reasons
But that was just normal wear for seals with 150k on them, not like what is going on now.
Just got home, will pull intake here in a bit.
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Im so confused
They all "looked" clean. Any part of the aluminium i could get my finger on was dry to the touch. Some of the valves, stems, and end of the guides had the slightest of oil film, some felt dry, none were wet. I would take this to be normal.
Its really hard to get a pic of the piston but I tried my best. You can already see specs of oil deposits forming and the general wetness.
This pic as taken the moment before I set the head in place and torqued it down. Clean pistons, restrictor in place.
So what now? Rings? I dont know what else it could be, but how could replacing a head gasket and bolting on some **** blow the rings? Could I have forced all the carbon deposits into them when I cleaned them and surfaced the block. There was a lot carbon above the top ring, between the piston and cylinder wall, it was packed. Was that my piston ring? ****!!!
They all "looked" clean. Any part of the aluminium i could get my finger on was dry to the touch. Some of the valves, stems, and end of the guides had the slightest of oil film, some felt dry, none were wet. I would take this to be normal.
Its really hard to get a pic of the piston but I tried my best. You can already see specs of oil deposits forming and the general wetness.
This pic as taken the moment before I set the head in place and torqued it down. Clean pistons, restrictor in place.
So what now? Rings? I dont know what else it could be, but how could replacing a head gasket and bolting on some **** blow the rings? Could I have forced all the carbon deposits into them when I cleaned them and surfaced the block. There was a lot carbon above the top ring, between the piston and cylinder wall, it was packed. Was that my piston ring? ****!!!
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Head gasket was my first guess when this started, until I pulled the plugs and found all 4 cylinders were wet. I find it highly unlikely that the head gasket failed in such a way that oil finds its way into all 4 cylinder without leaking anywhere else.
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So I removed the exhaust to look, everything is covered in carbon. The turbo isnt leaking a drop.
Exhaust mani looked similar. I can just see exhaust runner #2 through the mani outlet and it looked wet, so I pulled the mani.
cylinder 1 and 3 are just carbon covered, cylinder #2 is wet, and #4 is drenched. There is now no doubt that whatever the issue is, its coming from the combustion chamber or head, whether it be rings or stem seals or HG.
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I'd try a compression test, but with all that oil all over the pistons I'm not sure how much it'll tell you about the rings. Maybe if something cracked or if the gasket isn't tight it'll show?
I can't remember if there's room, but could you squirt some oil on the valve seals then watch to see if they leak down overnight?
I can't remember if there's room, but could you squirt some oil on the valve seals then watch to see if they leak down overnight?
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Will do comp test regardless. Adian mentioned squirting oil on the seal, you can kind of pour it all over the spring and it looks like it makes it way in there. I did it on #1 intake valve, nothing seeping yet.
If comp test comes up good, I think ill just replace the stem seals as they are on their way, and everything is half apart anyway. I poured some seafoam in the spark plug holes for whatever thats worth, maybe itll loosen a ring up. Ill slap it back together and see if I cant get it to stop smoking. Maybe some revs will help? It hasnt seem past 2500, maybe 3k yet, as it has no tune. If it doesnt clear up then I guess i will be re-ringing and doing a rods only build with cheapo rods, unless when I go to do that, I find an issue with the head gasket. I was supposed to be tuning and loving boost right now :(
If comp test comes up good, I think ill just replace the stem seals as they are on their way, and everything is half apart anyway. I poured some seafoam in the spark plug holes for whatever thats worth, maybe itll loosen a ring up. Ill slap it back together and see if I cant get it to stop smoking. Maybe some revs will help? It hasnt seem past 2500, maybe 3k yet, as it has no tune. If it doesnt clear up then I guess i will be re-ringing and doing a rods only build with cheapo rods, unless when I go to do that, I find an issue with the head gasket. I was supposed to be tuning and loving boost right now :(