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View Poll Results: Should the Federal Minimum Wage be Raised?
No, those jobs are for teenagers and 2nd incomes. 51 66.23%
Yes, to about $10/Hr. 12 15.58%
Yes, to about $15/Hr. 11 14.29%
Yes, to $_____/Hr. 3 3.90%
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Old 05-21-2014, 12:52 PM   #1
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Default Minimum Wage - Should It Be Raised? How Far?

Lots of angry people on this one, most of whom either A) Have not made Min Wage in the last 20 years and have no clue about it versus cost of living or B) Have about as much knowledge of economics as your average cinder block and think they should make 20 bucks an hour flipping burgers (and screwing that up about half the time).

Naturally, a bunch of Miata enthusiasts who make anatomical shifters out of bar-stock, love cat pictures more than life itself, and support the Brony movement are the logical choice as experts in the matter.
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I blame Obama


wait


did we get there yet?
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Yikes, I did not even have the poll up before it got noticed.
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I blame Obama


wait


did we get there yet?
I think we should drug test everyone who makes minimum wage
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completely agree. then lower their wages based on how many different drugs are found. $1 less for every drug
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Being a motivated teenager, I say that it should be bumped. I've always held two jobs since I was 16 along with working way too many hours a week. Working at 7.80 an hour doesn't pay bills and provide enough to save money unless you really, really work your *** off. I think that the $10.00 mark is fair.
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Being a motivated teenager, I say that it should be bumped. I've always held two jobs since I was 16 along with working way too many hours a week. Working at 7.80 an hour doesn't pay bills and provide enough to save money unless you really, really work your *** off. I think that the $10.00 mark is fair.
I think somewhere in there is a valuable lesson

Raising pay would actually hinder the lesson and promote stupidity.
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Why is there no "Minimum wage should be left to the states" option considering the large variance in cost of living and local economies within our ginormous country?
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The poor deserve poor jobs.
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I think somewhere in there is a valuable lesson

Raising pay would actually hinder the lesson and promote stupidity.
What about the idea that stupid people should be able to make a living wage too? What if the only job available to a person who was stupid, but is now reformed and responsible, is flipping burgers?
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Why is there no "Minimum wage should be left to the states" option considering the large variance in cost of living and local economies within our ginormous country?
Just vote 'No' and accept that you are an awful, awful right-winger who hates minorities and children.


Sorry, I should have put that option in there. But still, vote 'No' in that case.
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What about the idea that stupid people should be able to make a living wage too? What if the only job available to a person who was stupid, but is now reformed and responsible, is flipping burgers?

Move to a place where you can flip burgers and still lead a decent life?

I can survive on minimum wage here quite handily.


It's YOUR job to adapt, not everyone else's job to adapt to you.
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Why is there no "Minimum wage should be left to the states" option considering the large variance in cost of living and local economies within our ginormous country?
Your post is too smart for this thread.
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Someone voted 15. So Brain or Blaen is typing some sort of epic/sarcastic post as we speak.
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What about the idea that stupid people should be able to make a living wage too? What if the only job available to a person who was stupid, but is now reformed and responsible, is flipping burgers?
"If you're gonna be dumb, you best be tough"

or however that saying goes.

making it easy to be dumb promotes stupidity.

surprised we got through 17 posts and still haven't mentioned it:

"idiocracy"
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I think $9.99 an hour is good, that way I can still make more money than most everyone else.
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I think $10 is very reasonable as a federal minimum. At a state level it will be necessary to increase it further in states with high living costs.

I know this board tends to go a bit right on fiscal issues, but the idea that minimum wage does not need to exist is naive. After what happened a few years ago it is obvious that corporations will run wild with deregulation.

Its easy to believe in efficient markets and an invisible hand; to say that nobody will work for less than they are worth, but its not true. Until every CEO and manager gain the foresight to implement sustainable practices, they will continue to do what is in their best interests, not what is in the best interests of all the stakeholders.

It is a systemic problem that currently has no cure. The only treatment we have is government regulation.
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After what happened a few years ago it is obvious that corporations will run wild with deregulation.
Overextend themselves with debt-financed-purchasing, and engage in speculative real-estate "investing" fueled by greed and a willful ignorance of the rules of the game?

Oh, wait- that was private individuals, not corporations.
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