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Old 07-15-2016, 06:10 PM   #1
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Default Fab9 EFR NA/NB owners.

If anyone has a Fab9 EFR setup on an NA/NB I'd like see how they ran the supporting lines (Oil/Water, Exhaust, Hot/Cold pipes) I'm currently having difficulty finding many who have actually installed a kit with a majority of them still waiting to do the install. Is there anything I need to pay special attention to? NB specific information would be especially helpful.
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Old 07-15-2016, 06:33 PM   #2
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Check out jeffbuccs thread.
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Old 07-15-2016, 07:14 PM   #3
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That looks a lot like the blue NA that the kit was originally designed on. Lot of pics thanks!
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Same color, but different.
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http://www.miataturbo.net/build-thre...0/#post1354718

http://www.full-race.com/articles/efrturbotechbrief.pdf
pg37-39 for oil/coolant connections

I initially purchased the oil/ coolant line from Bryan and personally did not like the fittings nor the line it came with, more so personal preference. I just finished my lines and it was relatively simple. In that post I listed all the parts with the exception of the banjo bolt i purchased for the oil/coolant lines. Pushlock fittings are the way to go in my opinion. I got the feed from the exhaust side of the block where there is already a pre tapped location for oil feed, drained down to the oil pan where i drilled and welded a bung on for a 1/2npt fitting for the drain. I then picked up coolant feed from the re route housing on the back of the head, (949 coolant reroute kit) and then drained/returned the coolant to the nipple on the mixing manifold. Keep in mind that on the EFR, the coolant lines have to run diagonal across the CHRA, meaning the feed on one side has to be the bottom port, and the return on the opposite side has to be the return. Which side of the turbo does not matter, but the bottom HAS to be the feed, and the top has to be the drain. If you have any questions about the turbo fittings, you can look at the EFR technical document that I also listed above.
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Old 09-18-2016, 07:41 AM   #6
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After returning my parts twice the downpipe only hits a little.... and the boost only creeps a little.


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After returning my parts twice the downpipe only hits a little.... and the boost only creeps a little.


I see im not the only one. Let me guess...it took 2+ weeks both times u sent the stuff in? Brian sucks.

I ended up bypassing fab9 and just sending them directly to their fabrictor (gleasemanufacturing) in canada
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Bryan asked me to deal directly with John, since John didn't sell me the parts I didn't think that was an appropriate method of taking care of business. I was a customer who had spent over $6k in parts through Fab9 and there was always an excuse.

The whole time Bryan insisted I was the only person having issues, later I found out other NB users had fitment problems with the pie cut downpipes hitting the body and steering rod. I have since gotten a V2 downpipe and it hits the engine block, a wack with a hammer next time it is off should allow some clearance. I am currently stuck trying to figure out how to deluge the coolant (heater core) lines so they don't sit directly on the downpipe. The kit was designed to fit an NA and assumed it would work well on NB as well.
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My manifold and dp came with the wrong flanges welded on. Even after i sent the specific measurements (in mm) of all the ID and ODs. I went through hell and back with bryan to get it fixed. The best thing was just dealing directly with john. His customer service is phenomenal. Imo he shoukd ditch fab9 and sell them himself.

Bryan offered me a discount "on a future purchase" for my troubles. He will never get another dime from me
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The manifold puts the turbo too far rearward and needs a better wastegate location, or ideally utilized the EFR internal gate.

What are are you doing to keep the heat off of your brake components? I've tried to fit a shield but nothing is working out and use a blanket and wrapped downpipe.
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The manifold puts the turbo too far rearward and needs a better wastegate location, or ideally utilized the EFR internal gate.

What are are you doing to keep the heat off of your brake components? I've tried to fit a shield but nothing is working out and use a blanket and wrapped downpipe.


not the best pic but i wrapped most of the brake components in an adhesive backed shield. Wrapped DP and screamer pipe with dei wrap. and slid the water lines through some DEI fire sleeve. also put some fire sleeve around a few vacuum lines.

I dont track the car. I just drive like a dumbass on the streets and nothing has melted yet...
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There are 2 convent holes to route your brake line through the frame to help that situation. Something I plan to do soon.
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There are 2 convent holes to route your brake line through the frame to help that situation. Something I plan to do soon.
i want to just convert to manual brakes....but i refuse to buy the kit from fab9 lol im still salty
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i want to just convert to manual brakes....but i refuse to buy the kit from fab9 lol im still salty
Drive before you buy, that's show car BS.
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EFR 6258
Fab9 Mani/DP
Stock Bottom BP4W
MSM Intake Cam
ST Dual Springs
Flat Top IM
250hp 205tq @ 9-10 PSI

I hit my HP/TQ goal but I expected to have more TQ earlier in the powerband, like 200 ft lbs 1500-2000 RPM sooner. I was warned about the .85ar prior to purchase but didn't expect such a shift.
Going to look for a boost leak, hoping it's something rather simple. Probably another 5-10 left on the table with more timing but I was not looking to stress things any more. (The last 2 deg of timing I added gave me another 5hp/5ft lbs still conservative)
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ha...just like me. low torque and normal hp. Are you using ebc to hold ewg shut until desired boost level? or does it crack open at 7psi and slowly work up to 10

edit...just saw boost graph. 10psi at 5700? dont show this to any efr fanboys
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ha...just like me. low torque and normal hp. Are you using ebc to hold ewg shut until desired boost level? or does it crack open at 7psi and slowly work up to 10

edit...just saw boost graph. 10psi at 5700? dont show this to any efr fanboys
I have the boost reference routed through the solenoid but I am not controlling it.
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edit...just saw boost graph. 10psi at 5700? dont show this to any efr fanboys
EFR fanboi here. This is obviously a setup failure. We have multiple other dyno graphs of EFRs making more torque 2000rpms lower.

Just tells me more about the setup, not the turbo lol.
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Just tells me more about the setup, not the turbo lol.
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EFR fanboi here. This is obviously a setup failure. We have multiple other dyno graphs of EFRs making more torque 2000rpms lower.

Just tells me more about the setup, not the turbo lol.
It is an ill fitting Fab9 setup with an EWG.
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