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If you ever have a chance to get more data, a dot on the rim with a dot near the edge of the tread on the tire, a bight sunny day and a camera with a fast shutter speed will give a great data point.

psyber_0ptix

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How fun it'd be to use digital image correlation on a tire to measure full field strain and deformation. Just need Vic2D/3D and one or two high frame rate cameras Photron SA1 etc.

kamel6k

That makes sense, we use 3.636 in Europe and every car i know makes 10km/h aprox. less than the gear calculator gives @7200rpm 6th gear. Never understood why.

Savington

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Theseus had a 7400rpm limiter, 3.909s and a 6sp. Gear calc says 153.7mph at redline in 6th, GPS said ~146.2mph every time.

wackbards

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I wonder if it's a result of intentional unilateral tolerancing. Ever notice how every car's speedo tends to be a little too optimistic? I have to think it's driven by liability concerns of the manufacturer which make them tolerance the speedo to over report speed rather than under report speed. Perhaps the gear ratios and therefore top speed of a gear at a given RPM is also slightly unilaterally toleranced to avoid exceeding the limit of the design envelope. Just an armchair conspiracy theory.

codrus

Speedometers lie, but this is a comparison between a gear calculation and the GPS measured speed. The ECU's RPM signal doesn't lie (not the tach, but the one that drives the rev limiter), because it has to be accurate for the engine to run properly.

You can't really tolerance a gear -- count the teeth and that's the ratio.

I don't know how accurate GPS measured speed is, though.

--Ian

(edit): One other thought, if you're getting a few percent of tire slip, then that would account for some of it.

Savington

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My data is from a 10hz antenna fed into a Racepak, then extrapolated to 20hz. More than accurate and repeatable enough to clearly show a discrepancy between "what is" and "what should be"

nbfather

Not yet Andrew! I gave you a call when I had a free moment the other day, but you were busy.
This wont happen for another year or so...I am not in a huge hurry.

We are going to bolt the suspension/safety stuff together and he is going to spend the spring and summer doing HPDE, autoX and, spending the rest of his money on instruction.
The plan is to allow him time to establish solid control of the car before adding power. If that takes two years so be it.
I would also like him to get some wheel to wheel experience before the turbo, but that is still being discussed.
Once the turbo goes on the plan is to run it at lower boost until he connects with the power and feels good control over it. (one of the reasons I was talking about a dual port boost solenoid).
I suppose a smaller spring could be supplemented.

For those that asked?
I have a 580hp Sunbeam Tiger, and used to have a 740hp Cobra...Not to mention a host of scary fast longer wheelbase cars.
To me the 350hp Miata I drove was edgy and a sporty ride, but was completely predictable....A long way from the Tiger.
My son of course is not in the same boat....and there was no way he was going to drive that car.
See my above comments to Savington, but the plan is to work him into the power as slow as it required.

Eo2k,
If it was me I would have to know how much power I could make.
There has to be some curiosity there?

Thanks for all the comments as always!

Jamie

18psi

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I have tempted him to come down and do a "ALLOFIT" tune on e85 dozens of times now.

If he ever bites, I will be sure to share the videos

nbfather

Haha!
That would be awesome!
The torque would be insane!

EO2K

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Psssht! Who needs a turbo? 300hp N/A BP. Suck it, Trebek!

shuiend

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Pretty sure both Emilio and Savington have debunked their HP claims in this thread here.

18psi

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sarcasm is hard to convey in a post

nbfather

"A little shy of 350hp".....A little short!
I am a little short of 12 inches....I am closer to 12 inches than they are to 350hp!

Your link didn't work for me Shuiend.
I would enjoy that read!

emilio700

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For a while now, this forum has been reformatting urls so they do not link properly

https://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=630740

nbfather

Emilio: "Cutting edge K Series 2.5L spun to 11k in drag cars are just hitting 395whp on VP Q16 gas. A stock K20A2 head flows a bit over 40% more than a BP4W."

Or said another way....

Savington: "350bhp from a naturally aspirated BP on gasoline is a monumental pile of BS."


Priceless!

Efini~FC3S

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Any update on the 5951 from SEMA this year?

Still a mid-2018 release?

Savington

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No 5951s on display at BW this year. Rep said they are still in progress, no ETA, definitely not a mid-2018 release.

DNR

Any updates on the 5951?
I haven't seen anything recent about it.

andym

I would also like to know about what happens with this turbo. Seems to fit exactly with what my goals are.