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Emilio, I have 2 relevant questions:
1. With the deshrouding, decking, OS valves plus whatever other voodoo you guys do, how much does the volume of the head change over stock? Selecting pistons to reach a reasonable CR becomes somewhat more complicated. I'd hate to use 9.5:1 pistons and end up around 7.4:1 or worse, 10.5:1 (I haz no E85)
2. My '00 4W head has a 5A cam in it that I purchased from you a couple years ago. I'd prefer not to buy another 5A as mine has all of about 12k on it. I could in theory reinstall the stock 4W cam (if I can find it) and mail you the 5A ahead of time for the head build, but I don't know your what your policy would be about customer supplied parts. I trust you guys to shim it right the first time rather than me deal with swapping cams and then trusting myself to reshim it correctly later.
Thanks!
1. With the deshrouding, decking, OS valves plus whatever other voodoo you guys do, how much does the volume of the head change over stock? Selecting pistons to reach a reasonable CR becomes somewhat more complicated. I'd hate to use 9.5:1 pistons and end up around 7.4:1 or worse, 10.5:1 (I haz no E85)
2. My '00 4W head has a 5A cam in it that I purchased from you a couple years ago. I'd prefer not to buy another 5A as mine has all of about 12k on it. I could in theory reinstall the stock 4W cam (if I can find it) and mail you the 5A ahead of time for the head build, but I don't know your what your policy would be about customer supplied parts. I trust you guys to shim it right the first time rather than me deal with swapping cams and then trusting myself to reshim it correctly later.
Thanks!
#147
There is data floating out there that shows what a stock head flows. I have that info in my build thread. I could not determine if the info I obtained was from a 1.8 NA or NB head.
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Emilio, I have 2 relevant questions:
1. With the deshrouding, decking, OS valves plus whatever other voodoo you guys do, how much does the volume of the head change over stock? Selecting pistons to reach a reasonable CR becomes somewhat more complicated. I'd hate to use 9.5:1 pistons and end up around 7.4:1 or worse, 10.5:1 (I haz no E85)
2. My '00 4W head has a 5A cam in it that I purchased from you a couple years ago. I'd prefer not to buy another 5A as mine has all of about 12k on it. I could in theory reinstall the stock 4W cam (if I can find it) and mail you the 5A ahead of time for the head build, but I don't know your what your policy would be about customer supplied parts. I trust you guys to shim it right the first time rather than me deal with swapping cams and then trusting myself to reshim it correctly later.
Thanks!
1. With the deshrouding, decking, OS valves plus whatever other voodoo you guys do, how much does the volume of the head change over stock? Selecting pistons to reach a reasonable CR becomes somewhat more complicated. I'd hate to use 9.5:1 pistons and end up around 7.4:1 or worse, 10.5:1 (I haz no E85)
2. My '00 4W head has a 5A cam in it that I purchased from you a couple years ago. I'd prefer not to buy another 5A as mine has all of about 12k on it. I could in theory reinstall the stock 4W cam (if I can find it) and mail you the 5A ahead of time for the head build, but I don't know your what your policy would be about customer supplied parts. I trust you guys to shim it right the first time rather than me deal with swapping cams and then trusting myself to reshim it correctly later.
Thanks!
2. Ship us your 5A cam
High revs. For stock cams or shift points below 7500, SUBs are nice but not absolutely necessary. We suggest them with bigger cams or shift points closer to 8000rpm if you want the motor to last.
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Last edited by emilio700; 12-06-2013 at 03:49 PM.
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Those are my informal guidelines based on my experience. Most of the N/A motors in our shop run our weak 91 (California) gas so 10.5:1 is about the max and still be able to reach MBT everywhere. I have learned that the gains from being able to reach MBT are usually greater than that extra half point compression.
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Last edited by emilio700; 01-04-2014 at 04:28 PM. Reason: speling
#156
Chamber volume is adjusted to remain the same. Compression depends on fuel. 10.5:1 on 91. Add .25 pt for each point in octane. Subtract 2pts for big turbo or PD blower. Subtract 1 pt for small turbo (~2554) or Rotrex.addd 3pts for E85.
Those are my informal guidelines based on my experience. Most of the N/A motors in our shop run our weak 91 (California) gas so 10.5: is about the max and still be able to reach MBT everywhere. I have learned that the gains from being able to reach MBT are usually greater than that extra half point compression.
Those are my informal guidelines based on my experience. Most of the N/A motors in our shop run our weak 91 (California) gas so 10.5: is about the max and still be able to reach MBT everywhere. I have learned that the gains from being able to reach MBT are usually greater than that extra half point compression.
To me this head costs about the same (a bit less) than having an entire motor rebuilt to OEM plus the safe track stuff (rods+valve springs + light headwork). That being said... Is it a stupid idea to put this head on an oem 01+ long block? (reving to 7200 and properly tuned). I assume the mid range and top end gains would be noticeable and I certainly like that idea over a 3-5k turbo setup for track use.
I just wouldn't mind more power and a trick head... I just don't know if I want to go down the rabbit hole of bottem end builds. This is prob a ymmv or depends on situation question... so Idk why I'm even asking but w/e. What else are forums for?
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Very relevant info. Thanks. Ever since the info on this head got released I've been interested in it. I've been turned off by the idea of building an engine lately as it seems people building for track use are the ones blowing motors up consistently.
To me this head costs about the same (a bit less) than having an entire motor rebuilt to OEM plus the safe track stuff (rods+valve springs + light headwork). That being said... Is it a stupid idea to put this head on an oem 01+ long block? (reving to 7200 and properly tuned). I assume the mid range and top end gains would be noticeable and I certainly like that idea over a 3-5k turbo setup for track use.
I just wouldn't mind more power and a trick head... I just don't know if I want to go down the rabbit hole of bottem end builds. This is prob a ymmv or depends on situation question... so Idk why I'm even asking but w/e. What else are forums for?
To me this head costs about the same (a bit less) than having an entire motor rebuilt to OEM plus the safe track stuff (rods+valve springs + light headwork). That being said... Is it a stupid idea to put this head on an oem 01+ long block? (reving to 7200 and properly tuned). I assume the mid range and top end gains would be noticeable and I certainly like that idea over a 3-5k turbo setup for track use.
I just wouldn't mind more power and a trick head... I just don't know if I want to go down the rabbit hole of bottem end builds. This is prob a ymmv or depends on situation question... so Idk why I'm even asking but w/e. What else are forums for?
Decide on what your power goals are. Circuitmster74's build is for a torque monster power capped N/A race engine. Uncorked on E85 might make 30whp over his cap.
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Last edited by emilio700; 01-04-2014 at 04:27 PM. Reason: speling
#158
Chamber volume is adjusted to remain the same. Compression depends on fuel. 10.5:1 on 91. Add .25 pt for each point in octane. Subtract 2pts for big turbo or PD blower. Subtract 1 pt for small turbo (~2554) or Rotrex.addd 3pts for E85.
Those are my informal guidelines based on my experience. Most of the N/A motors in our shop run our weak 91 (California) gas so 10.5: is about the max and still be able to reach MBT everywhere. I have learned that the gains from being able to reach MBT are usually greater than that extra half point compression.
Those are my informal guidelines based on my experience. Most of the N/A motors in our shop run our weak 91 (California) gas so 10.5: is about the max and still be able to reach MBT everywhere. I have learned that the gains from being able to reach MBT are usually greater than that extra half point compression.
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That being said... Is it a stupid idea to put this head on an oem 01+ long block? (reving to 7200 and properly tuned).
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This is basically my question also. From the responses I guess a head shave for another half point or so of compression is a no no and the compression should come from high comp. pistons instead.
That being said... Is it a stupid idea to put this head on an oem 01+ long block? (reving to 7200 and properly tuned).
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This is basically my question also. From the responses I guess a head shave for another half point or so of compression is a no no and the compression should come from high comp. pistons instead.
Last edited by 6speed; 01-05-2014 at 06:51 AM.