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Old 06-09-2016, 08:12 PM   #241
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Old 06-10-2016, 01:04 AM   #242
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Sounds pretty awesome. Keen to see some dyno data and lap times compared to some of your other cars.
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It's sad seeing my inspiration being sold.

I'm building more garage space later this year. Hmmmm . . . .
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It's sad seeing my inspiration being sold.

I'm building more garage space later this year. Hmmmm . . . .
If you buy this beast, does that mean your red car will be for sale?
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Old 06-12-2016, 01:54 PM   #245
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Congrats on getting it running!



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I still remember Emilio telling me he was going K20 instead of K24 because he found this great deal on a used K20...
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Any thoughts/tips as to the K-Swap? I've been considering it in lieu of a Turbo.
1. What kind of welder do you own?
There is going to be several layers of fabrication required. If you know how to weld,chances are strong you already have the fabrication skills for hybrid conversion.

2. What was the last electronic device or harness you built yourself?
From plugs to sensors ro chassis harness, there's plenty of experience required to understand how to wire or diagnose a hybrid project.

3.. Are you planning on spending over $10K or less than $2K?
The engine is the least expensive part of a hybrid conversion. It's all the other parts (new, used, and otherwise) and labor that add up. Even if you have the engine sitting in your garage right now, you'd need a significant pile of cash beyond the cost of slapping a turbo on your car. Everything, the support community for a turbo is significantly higher.

There isn't a hybrid conversion that won't cost 2-10X more than turbocharging your current car.
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1. What kind of welder do you own?
There is going to be several layers of fabrication required. If you know how to weld,chances are strong you already have the fabrication skills for hybrid conversion.
There is very little welding required on a normal K-series swap. The only thing I can think of that you would need to weld on a normal k-series swap is the connection between header and exhaust.
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2. What was the last electronic device or harness you built yourself?
From plugs to sensors ro chassis harness, there's plenty of experience required to understand how to wire or diagnose a hybrid project.
On an NA there is some wiring involved because the engine/chassis harnesses are intertwined. The NB has a separate engine and chassis harness so it is pretty much just connecting a few wires between jumper and chassis harness.
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3.. Are you planning on spending over $10K or less than $2K?
The engine is the least expensive part of a hybrid conversion. It's all the other parts (new, used, and otherwise) and labor that add up. Even if you have the engine sitting in your garage right now, you'd need a significant pile of cash beyond the cost of slapping a turbo on your car. Everything, the support community for a turbo is significantly higher.

There isn't a hybrid conversion that won't cost 2-10X more than turbocharging your current car.
I think a lot of people that have built a turbo car that could survive a 20 minute session would disagree with your conclusion. It is more expensive but your "2-10x" estimate is way off base.
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Video of engine bay

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Woot! Congrats.
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That is super clean. Fantastic build.
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Very smoothly running in that video, besides being very very pretty.


And quiet
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Very smoothly running in that video, besides being very very pretty.


And quiet
Not running in the video. That's the neighbors forklift I think. It is very smooth and quiet though. Chasing down a few last little issues then we dyno.
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Doing break in miles on a base map. Learning to poke around the Hondata KPro4. Nice UI and ECU in general. Adding fuel here and there, minor adjustments so I can safely put some load on it. Idle is wonky. Already feels fast though. Surprising amount of torque down low at small throttle openings. 6 spd x 3.9. Weird to be cruising along in city traffic at 2500rpm like and ND and see the tach goes all the way to 8800. It's also surprisingly smooth. No where near as thrashy as a BP. Also very quiet which feels odd given how much power it makes. Dyno on the 1st so I should have a plot to post by next Friday.
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Doing break in miles on a base map. Learning to poke around the Hondata KPro4. Nice UI and ECU in general. Adding fuel here and there, minor adjustments so I can safely put some load on it. Idle is wonky. Already feels fast though. Surprising amount of torque down low at small throttle openings. 6 spd x 3.9. Weird to be cruising along in city traffic at 2500rpm like and ND and see the tach goes all the way to 8800. It's also surprisingly smooth. No where near as thrashy as a BP. Also very quiet which feels odd given how much power it makes. Dyno on the 1st so I should have a plot to post by next Friday.
What throttle body are you running? Are you running an idle air control valve?
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What throttle body are you running? Are you running an idle air control valve?
Honda OEM. Not sure which car. TSX IIRC. No IAC.
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Honda OEM. Not sure which car. TSX IIRC. No IAC.
Okay, so probably an RSX Type S TB, since the TSX ones don't work since they are drive by wire. If you'd like to add an IACV to it at some point, let me know. We have a neat little remote block to mount the factory IACV on now, so it can fit anywhere.
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Okay, so probably an RSX Type S TB, since the TSX ones don't work since they are drive by wire. If you'd like to add an IACV to it at some point, let me know. We have a neat little remote block to mount the factory IACV on now, so it can fit anywhere.
Turns out we do have IAC and it's hooked up.
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Tunings!

Thats Doug MacMillan of Hondata doing the magics. Top pic is 20,30,40,50 degree cam angle sweeps up to 7000 on low cam. 160whp at around 6000 but the Vtec crossover will probably be closer to 4500. He does a full map on both cams to determine best crossover points.




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That radiator ducting work is amazeballs
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Doug MacMillan is seriously one of the nicest, kindest persons I've ever had the pleasure of meeting and working with.

He's good people.

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Final numbers, SAE J1349 correction, 213whp on CA 91. Well below what we had hoped for but it's still a bunch of fun to drive. Sounds damned angry.
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