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Old 08-20-2015, 08:04 PM   #23001
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Don't get the Monteros. Trust me. Please.
Not to call you ignorant, because you may very well know this, but most people don't.

There's a very large difference between a Montero and a Montero Sport. Legit Monteros are very very very good vehicles and used to great success everywhere around the world. Closer in capabilities and reliability to a Land Cruiser than a Montero Sport.

I haven't decided for sure on one, but they're in the running because of the exact statement you just said keeping them dirt cheap. It's a lot of "truck" for the money. I'll take a Land Cruiser any day over one, but i can't get a nice Land Cruiser for the same money.

What the legit Monteros are, are rebadged Pajeros. Mitsubishi Pajero, Toyota Land Cruiser, Nissan Patrol. All in the same "tier."
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The Monteros are very difficult to get parts for unless you can source them overseas. They sold like **** here. The Montero Sport was bad enough for expensive parts and they really outsold the Monteros.
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I'd buy a chevy blazer, swap the valley gasket then drive it till it died. Everything GM made in the 80's and 90's fits a blazer, and there's soooo many of them. 5 speed is boss, if you can find it in a 2 door, 4l60 blows chunks daily.

Something is wrong with me though, so I wouldn't advise a blazer.
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Yahoo actually owns Alibaba. Or at least a vast majority share of control.
They are actually only the second largest shareholder at 16.3%, which is just about half that of the largest holder, Softbank, with 32.4%, but yes, they certainly have a voice on the board.
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I'd buy a chevy blazer, swap the valley gasket then drive it till it died. Everything GM made in the 80's and 90's fits a blazer, and there's soooo many of them. 5 speed is boss, if you can find it in a 2 door, 4l60 blows chunks daily.

Something is wrong with me though, so I wouldn't advise a blazer.
Blazer or s10 blazer? If youre taking s10, terrible advice.
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I seem to remember the S10 with tree fiddy swaps being reasonably quick on the street. Same with the 302 in the rangers. No idea how well they work as real off road vehicles, though.
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But lets talk about brick & mortar vs Amazon online. With nothing in the way or research to back my hypothesis, I believe the 'typical' Walmart shopper likes to go look & feel & touch & buy at the moment they have money to spend while the typical Amazon shopper is doing it out of convenience and has an abundance of credit and consider time of secondary importance.
I have neither a crystal ball, nor a stake in this situation. And I'm admittedly playing the Devil's Advocate here. But arguments such as these seem reminiscent of prognostications of years gone by that megastores such as Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Home Depot and the like would encounter difficulty in competing against small, local retails of like goods on the basis that the latter were better able to provide personalized service and expertise to the shopper.

In the end, of course, price (corporate buying power / low overhead) and convenience (everything under one roof) proved to be much stronger factors in dictating the direction of the consumer's dollar. Thirty years ago, few would have predicted that such enterprises would come to represent the dominant force in global retail. And it would be folly to assume that a similarly paradigm-shifting business model will not someday displace them.

I make the following prediction: In addition to same-day delivery (which is already a reality in some urban markets), Amazon will be the next Sam's Club / Costco. Except you won't even have to browse the aisles; they will be off-limits to humans, and populated exclusively by robots and conveyor belts.
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If this changes anyone's opinion, #2 has a 2lt diesel.
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I seem to remember the S10 with tree fiddy swaps being reasonably quick on the street. Same with the 302 in the rangers. No idea how well they work as real off road vehicles, though.
Deezums and I both own s10s, and we are both v8 swapping them this would be my 2nd v8 s10, first was a blazer.

They just have so many factory flaws, GM gives no ***** about the metric chassis and its platforms. Shitty brakes, horrendous suspension geometry (they actually have positive camber gain in the first few inches of travel), fuel system nightmares, intake gaskets on the v6s as mentioned, and both engines can be difficult to work on depending on the job, I can go on.

I love s10s and im just being overly critical because I know them too well

They dont do offroad. They like to rip the upper control arm mounts off, and the frames are made of spagetti.

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Since #2 is more rare and hard to find parts for than the Montero, choose what you want.
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I have neither a crystal ball, nor a stake in this situation. And I'm admittedly playing the Devil's Advocate here. But arguments such as these seem reminiscent of prognostications of years gone by that megastores such as Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Home Depot and the like would encounter difficulty in competing against small, local retails of like goods on the basis that the latter were better able to provide personalized service and expertise to the shopper.
</p><p>Yes, I agree.</p><p>But, those smaller local establishments still operating&nbsp;tend to be the ones who've built up a specialty business and cater to a certain clientele who expects to pay a bit more for that service.</p><p>Somewhat relevant to the conversation, recent news on Sears illustrates how fucked up things can get in the retail consumer goods business.&nbsp; Anyone remember the 600page tomes that showed up in the mail called the Sears catalogs?&nbsp; Now look at the company bleeding what's left of the shareholders money and basically taking advantage of the tax laws to shelter money for some.&nbsp; Hard to count beans when there isn't any left to count unless your just using it as a shelter.&nbsp; Interesting quick read;</p><p>Sears reports a rare quarterly profit by selling good stores - Fortune</p>
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But, those smaller local establishments still operating tend to be the ones who've built up a specialty business and cater to a certain clientele who expects to pay a bit more for that service.
Exactly. They're the boutique stores, which fill the same tiny niche in retail as do fancy "named chef" restaurants and hipster cafes as compared to McDonald's / Chili's / TGI Fridays / Starbucks / Chipotle / Dunkin Donuts.

Wal-Mart, Home Depot and Best Buy are not boutique stores.

For that matter, the boutique approach had already failed miserably in big-box consumer retail. Anybody remember The Great Indoors? Mervyns? Service Merchandise? Computerland? Egghead? Babbages? J&R? The Wiz? Tweeter? Incredible Universe? CompUSA? McDuff? Radio Shack? Burdines? Harold's? Jay Jacobs? County Seat?

It's damned hard to compete against megastores in the razor-thin-margin world of consumer retail. And the big-box stores are going to find life increasingly difficult once the zero-overheard über-retailers universally solve the last-mile problem.
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Since #2 is more rare and hard to find parts for than the Montero, choose what you want.
2lt isn't exactly a point in its favor either. It does happen to be selling for a shockingly low price though. Many important mechanical things like transmissions etc can also be had from Toyota pickups.
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Twas a 2 door Cherokee of rarity
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Deezums and I both own s10s, and we are both v8 swapping them this would be my 2nd v8 s10, first was a blazer.

They just have so many factory flaws, GM gives no ***** about the metric chassis and its platforms. Shitty brakes, horrendous suspension geometry (they actually have positive camber gain in the first few inches of travel), fuel system nightmares, intake gaskets on the v6s as mentioned, and both engines can be difficult to work on depending on the job, I can go on.

I love s10s and im just being overly critical because I know them too well

They dont do offroad. They like to rip the upper control arm mounts off, and the frames are made of spagetti.

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Getting the motor out of a 4x4 blazer is fun.

I'd fix all the suspension geometry by sticking a baby Cherokee axle under it, for cheep. 99.9% of blazer problems solved

I actually had a vortec 350 ready to swap over, use the stock 4.3 harness with added injector wires, stock computer... Sold it all, the blazer, the engine/trans, the Cherokee axle...

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Getting the motor out of a 4x4 blazer is fun.
QFT. Separating the 4.3 from the transmission while both are still in the s10 Blazer ranks close to snorting acetone up my nose with a straw on my fun things to do list. They must all come out together first.
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Twas a 2 door Cherokee of rarity
Drive a few thousand miles and you could buy this one. 2 door manual.

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I am selling my Jeep Cherokee XJ because I just bought a new truck. This is a hard to find 2 door, 5 Speed manual transmission, 4 wheel drive. Has a solid front axle. Jeep runs and drives great. I am averaging around 23 miles per gallon on the Interstate. This jeep has no leaks, no check engine lights. Only 150xxx original miles. I have a clean Title. Asking 4200 / Cash talks. Call or text any time.
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2lt isn't exactly a point in its favor either. It does happen to be selling for a shockingly low price though. Many important mechanical things like transmissions etc can also be had from Toyota pickups.
Reasonably sure that one is a scam. OneTwo has been trying to get ahold of the seller for me, no answer.

That said, there's at least 6-9 in Canada that i could get home likely within budget, without the 2LT. There's even a lifted one with a turbo 1HZ. In budget. That weak Canadian dollar, though.

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QFT. Separating the 4.3 from the transmission while both are still in the s10 Blazer ranks close to snorting acetone up my nose with a straw on my fun things to do list. They must all come out together first.
I've spent some time working on a 4.3 96 Blazer. Never ever again.

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Drive a few thousand miles and you could buy this one. 2 door manual.

https://jackson.craigslist.org/cto/5179440960.html
Yeah, they're out there. I'm not against this option. That one would need the interior swapped out of mine into it, though. There isn't much i hate more than the XJ tan interior, and our 2000 already has it. I refuse to have two with it.
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