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Old 01-22-2012, 12:01 AM   #7381
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Old 01-22-2012, 12:13 AM   #7383
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There was a girl I went to HS with who thought WW2 was in the 70's...
The part where your friends daughter thinks your dumb for asking is the part that troubles me, that sort of attitude is why we're behind the rest of the world in education. No more participation trophies, no more of this "everyone is a unique snowflake who can do anything they want" attitude, it's bringing us down.
I don't have any children myself so I'm a little disconnected from what goes on with kids these days... Not too long ago I learned at kids sporting events we don't keep score anymore?? That's big time fail. God forbid we prep these kids for the REAL world where not everyone gets handed everything on a silver ------- platter. Those are the retarded losers that end up at these occupy "protests" instead of working to get a real job and EARN what you have.



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I don't have any children myself so I'm a little disconnected from what goes on with kids these days... Not too long ago I learned at kids sporting events we don't keep score anymore?? That's big time fail. God forbid we prep these kids for the REAL world where not everyone gets handed everything on a silver ------- platter. Those are the retarded losers that end up at these occupy "protests" instead of working to get a real job and EARN what you have.
I was in a YMCA baseball "league" when I was like 7 or 8, I went to like 3 practices and one game, I got a trophy. Around the same time when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade my teacher told us that our grade on home work didn't matter, it was the fact that we tried that counted for points, and I knew it was bullsh!t back then. There are kids that bought the participation grade BS, and then there are kids who did a mental face palm upon hearing about it. There where also participation points and points for showing up in some college classes I attended.

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Old 01-22-2012, 02:19 AM   #7386
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Kids that suck should be encouraged to get better. If you tell them they are already "perfect how they are" they will never strive to get better. You suck at running, you tell them they suck at running and give them advice on how to do better. You suck at math, you fail until you understand. I'm lucky and went to a very good public school where not everyone got a trophy.
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I was in a YMCA baseball "league" when I was like 7 or 8, I went to like 3 practices and one game, I got a trophy. Around the same time when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade my teacher told us that our grade on home work didn't matter, it was the fact that we tried that counted for points, and I knew it was bullsh!t back then. There are kids that bought the participation grade BS, and then there are kids who did a mental face palm upon hearing about it. There where also participation points and points for showing up in some college classes I attended.
Related to your tangent:

I was in a college class with a prof. Two quarters, aced his classes while almost never attending (Only showed up for tests).

Third quarter, he instituted an attendance policy in all his classes that was a ridiculous amount of the grade. I mentally ed at that, since he was aiming it at one student that was acing his classes while almost never attending. Academia is absolutely ridiculous and has little to no basis in the real world.

Seriously, his grading was so ridiculous that you'd get a C- if you showed up to every class and just turned in a blank sheet of paper for every assignment/test/exam. Think about how ridiculous of a grading system that is for a second.

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Hey, that's realistic. A lot of people get paid just to show up to work.

I'm with you, though. I was lucky enough to have gone to a pretty good public school. I never realized how good it was until I went to college and saw how poorly everyone else was prepared.

I also had a professor that counted a good amount toward being in class every day. It was a bonus, but it was still like 10 points added to your overall grade. I had something like a 98 in the class before the points anyway and really only took the class because I wanted something easy with all of my real classes.

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Around the same time when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade my teacher told us that our grade on home work didn't matter, it was the fact that we tried that counted for points, and I knew it was bullsh!t back then.
Brain development studies have been done that show praising effort in young children can improve achievent (and GPA) in later life where praising success can hinder it.

An example would be the smart young kid who gets straight As without hard work all the time but is only commended for the end result finally reaching a phase of life where school challenges him and finding out he can no longer cruise through school and his grades go to ---- because he did not learn how to apply effort to his learning.

The difference is that the child praised for effort sees errors as an opportunity to apply more effort (which they learned at a young age) rather than seeing errors as personal failure.

I may have communicated this poorly but you get the idea.
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So what will you do with your kids Y8s?
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Brain development studies have been done that show praising effort in young children can improve achievent (and GPA) in later life where praising success can hinder it.

An example would be the smart young kid who gets straight As without hard work all the time but is only commended for the end result finally reaching a phase of life where school challenges him and finding out he can no longer cruise through school and his grades go to ---- because he did not learn how to apply effort to his learning.

The difference is that the child praised for effort sees errors as an opportunity to apply more effort (which they learned at a young age) rather than seeing errors as personal failure.

I may have communicated this poorly but you get the idea.
I assume this works, but there are several mistakes I've made in my life which make me uncomfortable to think about today because the consequences were so ugly...I'll never make those mistakes again. A kid has to learn that consequences happen at some points, even if its unfair or ugly.
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I assume this works, but there are several mistakes I've made in my life which make me uncomfortable to think about today because the consequences were so ugly...I'll never make those mistakes again. A kid has to learn that consequences happen at some points, even if its unfair or ugly.
Dats da truf, Truf.

Another thing I don't like, classes that have NOT A DAMN THING to do with your major in college. I'm paying THEM to let me take classes to get a degree, so heres a novel idea, why not let me take classes that will let me get my degree faster and on less cash? I'll bet more people would go to school and student loans wouldn't be (as) necessary in order to get pay for school.

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I graduated from the University of Florida without ever buying a textbook or coursepack. I am the 1%.
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3 hours studying for a test? lul really that's all? Must be easy tests.

Anyways not everyone can be winners. Effort counts for something to me, but not points towards a test. It might count towards a second chance after a failed test. People who are failing and lack motivation need someone to force them to do it, and will be there to help them. (parents?)

I see too many kids these days who skate by because no one wants to put the effort into actually helping them, and if they have kids that fail it looks bad on them. Can't totally blame the teachers, when they have a couple hundred kids going through their classes they can't help everyone. Plus parents these days think it's 100% on the school to make these kids geniuses.
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I graduated from the University of Florida without ever buying a textbook or coursepack. I am the 1%.
No, you just majored in humanities then.
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I graduated from the University of Florida without ever buying a textbook or coursepack. I am the 75%.
FTFY

This is why degrees really mean nothing, and everything. Nothing because just about everyone has one, and they are easy to get. Everything because if you don't have one you are not even considered.
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School is a scam.

I've self taught myself more since I've been out of school than I could have ever learned from any teacher.

When I was younger I was lucky enough to be part of a private "Lutheran" school. As I got older I realized I didnt belong and left after the start of the 7th grade. I went into our public schools and felt like I was f'ing born again! I did OK throughout school, but struggled as well. If it was something I was genuinely interested in then I did well (marine biology, chemistry, history, business, computer art, etc.). Math and Spanish were my weakest subjects by far. Now, I use math on a daily basis and speak Portuguese to our guys on the field (not Spanish but same idea). Self taught because I needed to in order to keep making money.

There's an idea. Lets try relating money to learning at a younger age. Something tells me it would work a little better than force feeding the ---- like they do.





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This is why degrees really mean nothing, and everything. Nothing because just about everyone has one, and they are easy to get. Everything because if you don't have one you are not even considered.
Naw, it just means that Pushy majored in a humanities fluff subject, or at least I'd lay money on it.

I cannot imagine a hard science major without a textbook, but humanities? Sure, no problem.
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Meh maybe, but that is why I just changed the quote to 75%.
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