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Old 02-10-2008, 12:28 PM
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Much like owning a cat or the Cincinnati Bengals, lathe ownership brings with it both advantages and disadvantages. One of the downsides is a tendency on the part of the owner to devise incredibly complex solutions to otherwise simple problems, largely as an excuse to fabricate something complicated and beautiful.

Take the matter of fitting an analog TPS onto a 5-speed equipped 1.6 Miata, for instance. Traditionally, there have been two distinct approaches: the easy way and the hard way.

The easy way, of course, is to acquire the complete throttle body assembly from a car originally equipped with an automatic transmission and bolt it on. The hard way, as espouced by Ben, is to purchase a TPS from a certain vintage BMW, file out the center shaft, drill a few holes, and bolt the whole thing together.

It turns out that there is a third approach: the ludicrously difficult, complex, and time-consuming (though cheap) way.

I initially chose the easy way. Through the help of a fellow list member I tracked down and acquired the throttle body assembly from an automatic car. Upon installing it (a completely painless procedure) I found to my dismay that the TPS itself was more or less kaput- an ohmmeter confirmed that the resistive element inside was shot. I reflected upon this for a while, and contemplated purchasing a replacement TPS for this throttle body. Unfortunately, the cost of a new unit exceeded $150, and I realized that the very youngest of the US-spec 1.6 cars is now 15 years old, making the acquisition of another used TPS a crap shoot at best- 15 years is a pretty long lifespan for an analog sensor in a hostile environment.

Some searching on eBay turned up no BMW sensors, but I did find one vendor selling new aftermarket TPSs for a variety of cars, mainly Hondas. One of the cheapest ($19, shipped) was listed as fitting, among other things, ’94-’00 Integras, which from experience I know to use an analog TPS. So I bought it.

Now of course this thing doesn’t even come remotely close to fitting the Mazda TB. Since the auto TB (with the non-working sensor) was on the engine at the time, I decided to work with the old manual TB. First order of business, cut down the shaft. Yes, that’s the whole TB (minus ISC) mounted in the lathe, having its shaft trimmed down.




Next, a mushroom-shaped cap was made to fit over the end of the shaft and hold a screw which would interface with the receptacle on the bottom of the TPS. Also, a collar to hold the TPS a set distance away from the TB and center it properly around the shaft. Both of these started as a 2.5” diameter solid bar of aluminum, since that’s what I had lying around:




And the whole thing assembled:




What have we learned from this experience? Well, on the plus side it works perfectly, and I know where I can get cheap replacement sensors if need be. On the minus side, it took nearly a full day to fabricate this, and if I ever have to do it again, I’ll be looking a bit harder for a BMW TPS.
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:16 PM
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Well that worked out great after a day of fabrication it appears and you know your TPS shouldn't die on you anytime soon. It looks good anyway.
So have you been having fun with Acceleration Encrichments using TPSdot?
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:51 PM
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So have you been having fun with Acceleration Encrichments using TPSdot?
I haven't gotten to that yet, as I've been waging an ongoing jihad against my cold-starting difficulties. I believe that I may have conquered that issue this morning, I'll post an update later. On the plus side, I do have flood-clear and overrun configured and working.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
On the plus side, I do have flood-clear and overrun configured and working.
My car doesn't flood and the overrun works fine using MAP :lol:
I will get a TPS for the Acceleration entrenchments soon though.
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4th way - buy a used tps from a E36 Automatic (Plug and play) and you're done

input shaft fits
bolting points fit...

15$ on Ebay Germany
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Originally Posted by RacingGreen
4th way - buy a used tps from a E36 Automatic (Plug and play) and you're done

input shaft fits
bolting points fit...

15$ on Ebay Germany
Link?
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:39 AM
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The later model 5 series autos have them as well. The wiring isn't PNP but the fitment on the throttle body is.
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Joe, that's awesome. If you wanted I'm pretty sure you could turn this into a little side money.
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Originally Posted by kotomile
Joe, that's awesome. If you wanted I'm pretty sure you could turn this into a little side money.
Oh, absolutely. If anybody wants to pay me $500 to modify their throttle body I'll be happy to, I'll even throw in the TPS itself for free. Otherwise, start searching for wrecked BMWs.
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Oh. Nevermind.
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