MS noob: MS2x w/VVT box - gains vs. cost ratio going to MS3x ??
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MS noob: MS2x w/VVT box - gains vs. cost ratio going to MS3x ??
My 2002 motor is still down and will be for a while as it gets built with rods, pistons etc. I currently have Rev. built MS2x and then I ordered the VVT Tuner box a little while after. Motor blew a little after that again (wasn't satisfied at 12psi on a 2560 - oops)
I know if I sell my MS2x with VVT tuner and upgrade to MS3x that it'll cost me a few hundred. I'm primarily concerned with a reliable running stable ECU and not sure the new features will be required. I am intrigued by the VVT controller being inside the box instead of a separate external card and case.
Sorry for the noob question but I'm trying to compare the cost vs. benefits of doing this and I don't know enough about the new unit. Then again I never had a long time with the old unit. I would love to leave a tablet connected permanently for tuning instead of a laptop but I haven't researched port requirements and that's nor a huge factor.
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I know if I sell my MS2x with VVT tuner and upgrade to MS3x that it'll cost me a few hundred. I'm primarily concerned with a reliable running stable ECU and not sure the new features will be required. I am intrigued by the VVT controller being inside the box instead of a separate external card and case.
Sorry for the noob question but I'm trying to compare the cost vs. benefits of doing this and I don't know enough about the new unit. Then again I never had a long time with the old unit. I would love to leave a tablet connected permanently for tuning instead of a laptop but I haven't researched port requirements and that's nor a huge factor.
Opinions for the unlearned?
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Two seperate interfaces for tuning sucks, but it's livable. Once you determine the prime VVT table, it doesn't change so you get to set-it and forget it. I still have my severe sync-loss problem with MS2 but there is nothing I can do about it so I just live with it, and it's not bad per say. MS3 makes it much easier and that's the route I'm going on my track car.
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Hmm, I do like the point of just leaving it as and not spending any time or money removing and selling aquiring a new one, especially this year. True I just have to set up the VVT once and it's done for a long while. Is the sync. error local to your indivudual box or an MS2x global thing ?
I am trying no A/C and P/S this year so that portion of feature is no longer a huge concern. Money is running out doing a full build. I am assuming correctly that MS3x is about $900 right now and I might be able to get $700 for my old box ??
I can't even remember what safeguards I have now and or would get with an upgrade path. Don't I have knock protection with my curent MS2x ?? It's been 2 years since I drove the car and I've been hunting for engine/chassis parts and haven't studied my MS for a while so I'm weak in that area.
I am trying no A/C and P/S this year so that portion of feature is no longer a huge concern. Money is running out doing a full build. I am assuming correctly that MS3x is about $900 right now and I might be able to get $700 for my old box ??
I can't even remember what safeguards I have now and or would get with an upgrade path. Don't I have knock protection with my curent MS2x ?? It's been 2 years since I drove the car and I've been hunting for engine/chassis parts and haven't studied my MS for a while so I'm weak in that area.
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its like 800+shipping for the cool new one that rev just came out with.
ms3 has some nifty new features over ms2 (I LOVE that they did away with the stupid serial-only connection and use usb now) the seperate afr map for idle, integrated vvt, and other nifty new features, etc.
However, if your ms2 works good for you now, and you dont wanna go through the hassle of removing and re-installing and dont wanna pay the extra cash, my honest opinion would be to just leave everything as is and give it a shot tuning with both.
I don't like the added wiring and complexity of using the vvt tuner seperate, but its probably not a big deal.
I'd definitely try it using what you have now and only switch later if you don't like it.
ms3 has some nifty new features over ms2 (I LOVE that they did away with the stupid serial-only connection and use usb now) the seperate afr map for idle, integrated vvt, and other nifty new features, etc.
However, if your ms2 works good for you now, and you dont wanna go through the hassle of removing and re-installing and dont wanna pay the extra cash, my honest opinion would be to just leave everything as is and give it a shot tuning with both.
I don't like the added wiring and complexity of using the vvt tuner seperate, but its probably not a big deal.
I'd definitely try it using what you have now and only switch later if you don't like it.
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Btw I've never posted an MS3 vid of my own (or any other) car.
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