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10-02-2006, 11:15 AM
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Since we haven't talked about it much, I figured I would throw in my nozzle reccomendations. I would say 95% of the site would be fine utilizing a 3gph. Big Boss Man Phil would probably want a 7
. Our fast as **** with no management friend Andy Floyd would do great with a 5.
. Our fast as **** with no management friend Andy Floyd would do great with a 5.LOL
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10-02-2006, 12:05 PM
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Ok so I have 10 guys who say they are in between here, some VW guys on another forum, a supercharged Mustang owner, and a couple Miata guys who are not on this forum. I have 3 payments so far. Anyone else who wants in should start thinking about it. I'd like to give Devils Own a few days heads up about roughly how many kits I am going to be ordering before I place the actual order on the 13th. Once this group buy is over I will be offering the basic kits for $200 shipped and the Progressive for $300 shipped. If you think you are in you can paypal to Wideopentuning@gmail.com. Make sure to include a phone number for me just in case as well as your prefered nozzle size. If anyone wants to get in touch with me directly, my AIM name is Wideopentuning. You can also call me any time at 425-445-1068. Thanks again guys. Kelly
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10-02-2006, 01:37 PM
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Well, with a non-progressive setup, the amount of water you inject is really only going to be perfectly tuned at one point in the map. It'd be like just turning on your injectors to flow the same rate all the time...it'd run really shitty until you got to a certain RPM and load sweet-spot. So you'd probably want to tune it for peak boost, RPM and load.
With the progressive, it at least meters out different amounts based on boost level, but again, it's not perfect, as you're throwing the RPM factor out the window.
Ideally, you'd have a system like the Aquamist that can be tuned based on multiple factors, TPS, MAP, RPM, etc., just like you'd tune fuel injectors with a stand-alone ECU.
Still, for $300...
With the progressive, it at least meters out different amounts based on boost level, but again, it's not perfect, as you're throwing the RPM factor out the window.
Ideally, you'd have a system like the Aquamist that can be tuned based on multiple factors, TPS, MAP, RPM, etc., just like you'd tune fuel injectors with a stand-alone ECU.
Still, for $300...
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10-02-2006, 01:56 PM
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The difference these make with no controller is awesome. FWIW the Neon that I love so much is running no controller. I also didn't use a controller on my truck. I don't want people thinking there is no point to do it without a controller. The comparison I would make is running a piggyback or FMU setup vs a Full stand alone system.......Gets the job done.....but could always be a little more dialed in.
I really wish the DO controllers had the map sensor built in. The owner said that the reason they don't do it that way is so that cars that already utilize a map sensor aren't paying extra for something they don't really need. That does sound like a good reason to me why they aren't internal.
I really wish the DO controllers had the map sensor built in. The owner said that the reason they don't do it that way is so that cars that already utilize a map sensor aren't paying extra for something they don't really need. That does sound like a good reason to me why they aren't internal.
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10-02-2006, 02:18 PM
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sent payment BTW.
I guess tuning can get tricky on the on/off setup since you get a huge boost all at once.
I guess tuning can get tricky on the on/off setup since you get a huge boost all at once.
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10-02-2006, 03:39 PM
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Hows $80 shipped?
Also BrillntBlk92 Sorry I didn't answer your earlier question. You generally install it after the intercooler. As for the blow off valve I would not worry. If it did sneeze a little water under the hood I can only see that as a good thing
Also BrillntBlk92 Sorry I didn't answer your earlier question. You generally install it after the intercooler. As for the blow off valve I would not worry. If it did sneeze a little water under the hood I can only see that as a good thing
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10-02-2006, 03:55 PM
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so it would go between the intercooler and the turbo? and what if i have a recirc?
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10-02-2006, 04:02 PM
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No, it goes post-intercooler, pre-throttlebody. Some folks have injected both pre-turbo-compressor/intercooler in addition to post-intercooler, but it's typically not adding much extra efficiency/cooling at that point and causes pitting on the turbo compressor blades (at least on an ~800whp Skyline in England).
Injecting pre-blower with a positive-displacement supercharger is another story altogether.
Injecting pre-blower with a positive-displacement supercharger is another story altogether.
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10-02-2006, 04:20 PM
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hey, how well would this work with a link ecu? would the liquid inject into the intake manifold or the before the throttle body.
i am considering moving to a supercharger.
would this have CARB issues if i moved to California?
i am considering moving to a supercharger.
would this have CARB issues if i moved to California?
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10-02-2006, 04:38 PM
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It would work great with the Link. You would inject pre throttle body. I think if it was hidden and didn't have lines and hoses routed sloppily I think it would pass just fine. If you go to an SC setup I would inject it pre charger. One of the people who is in on the buy will be doing that on a M62 Setup that www.Flipsidecustoms.com is doing.
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10-02-2006, 05:11 PM
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Oops didn't see that someone already posted about the EM, well I posted on the Emanage forum to get more input on the subject if anyone is interested please follow https://www.miataturbo.net/forums/sh...7785#post47785
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10-02-2006, 06:10 PM
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Ok so it sounds as if taking control of the pump is a no go. However on another forum, I saw someone utilized a single fuel injector and controlled it with the AIC output. They said they just replace the injector yearly since they are not designed to endure methanol. Does the emanage have any PWM outputs? I don't remember it having any. I think thats the only way it could control the duty cycle of the pump.
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10-03-2006, 12:00 AM
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alrite, last dumb question. i'm sorry i'm kinda still newb with this stuff. if i get the basic kit, is it kinda easily upgradable to the progressive kit? and is the basic kit like just on off control, or can it be set to kick on at a certain boost?
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10-03-2006, 12:32 AM
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No dumb questions man.....I am still a noob with this stuff too.
The basic kit comes with an adjustable presure switch that activates the pump at a preset boost level. No fiddling with an on/off switch or flipping it on like MAD SICK NAAAWWWZZZ YO.
Seriously though...you don't have to mess with it except to fill up with water/methanol/washer fluid/Vodka/ whatever.
The basic kit comes with an adjustable presure switch that activates the pump at a preset boost level. No fiddling with an on/off switch or flipping it on like MAD SICK NAAAWWWZZZ YO.
Seriously though...you don't have to mess with it except to fill up with water/methanol/washer fluid/Vodka/ whatever.
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10-03-2006, 12:48 AM
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Wide open i dont mean to hijack i just thought they might benfit from my experiences. if i get to pushy in your thread let me know and i will leave.
the basic kit is on off and begins at a certian boost point and continues until infinity and the progresive setup regulates the pump voltage to control the output of the pump and get. the on off's are very useable but tunning must be conservative. the upgrade would be just getting the variable voltage controller. if i am not mistaken it is a good deal if i already didn't have a setup i would do this. right now i am trying to tune out my new 255 lphhp walboro ad hopefully i will be able to hit 13-14 psi no problem with no IC, or timming controller on stock ecu, and only a on off WI setup using a 176 cc/min nozzle flow rated at 70 psi. hope this helps
the basic kit is on off and begins at a certian boost point and continues until infinity and the progresive setup regulates the pump voltage to control the output of the pump and get. the on off's are very useable but tunning must be conservative. the upgrade would be just getting the variable voltage controller. if i am not mistaken it is a good deal if i already didn't have a setup i would do this. right now i am trying to tune out my new 255 lphhp walboro ad hopefully i will be able to hit 13-14 psi no problem with no IC, or timming controller on stock ecu, and only a on off WI setup using a 176 cc/min nozzle flow rated at 70 psi. hope this helps
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