Originally Posted by nicacus

Sounds like someones butt-hurt they lost a bunch of sales to an inferior ECU.

Originally Posted by therieldeal

20whp different at what power lever? 20whp at ~150hp is a big difference, but at ~350hp... not so much. there are enough variables between the two cars that you could easily see a 20whp variance at "the same" boost level, different ECU's or not.

as far as max power goes, theres no way that an AEM magically makes more power. the MS (especially MS2) has plenty of resolution, and it can fire the SAME injectors and the SAME coils as the AEM.

wheres the difference? same motor, same coil, same amount of fuel and the same amount of ignition advance... there is none!

Originally Posted by sixshooter

20 hp? I bet they were running different mufflers. Or different viscosity oil. Or different wheel/tire combos. Or different intercooler dimensions. Or different air filters. Or different exhaust manifolds. Or different rear-end gearing. Or different trim turbos. Or different gap spark plugs. Or different thermostats. Or different ambient temps. Or different fuel pumps. Or different cam timing. Or different wastegate sizes. Or different boost by half a psi. Or different turbo heatshielding. Or different inlet air temperatures. Or different mass flywheels. Or different air pressure in the driven wheels.

Nah. Couldn't be. He said it was the ECU.

Originally Posted by jdmcwestevo

my evo would **** on all of u in reverse lol but not to brag or anything at one time i had a turbo bigger than ur engine. but i have tuned many subarus and raced many they just are overrated and have weak engines. over 400whp is hard to achieve safely it takes a lot of money and knowledge. my old sponsor had a bug eye wrx that stomped on most evos it was hilarious but other than that i have not seen a sti or wrx that i respect at all. but wat he said about driver factor on awd cars is huge i kno a guy had a audi rs4 and lost to a a3 lol my friend when he first got his wrx lost to a saturn ion haha so driver error mixed with shitty build can equal and embarrasing race. and ur ballsy running 10psi on greddy without ems of some type or fueling. to each his own impressive either way

Originally Posted by jdmcwestevo

my evo would **** on all of u in reverse lol but not to brag or anything at one time i had a turbo bigger than ur engine. but i have tuned many subarus and raced many they just are overrated and have weak engines. over 400whp is hard to achieve safely it takes a lot of money and knowledge. my old sponsor had a bug eye wrx that stomped on most evos it was hilarious but other than that i have not seen a sti or wrx that i respect at all. but wat he said about driver factor on awd cars is huge i kno a guy had a audi rs4 and lost to a a3 lol my friend when he first got his wrx lost to a saturn ion haha so driver error mixed with shitty build can equal and embarrasing race. and ur ballsy running 10psi on greddy without ems of some type or fueling. to each his own impressive either way

Originally Posted by jdmcwestevo

my evo would **** on all of u in reverse lol but not to brag or anything at one time i had a turbo bigger than ur engine.

Originally Posted by kotomile

Easy hoss, some of my best friends have EVOs, they are a blast but the owners still realize they have a > $30k car to my < $6k car (stock for stock). My favorite one is a 10 second car (stock turbo, lots of psi, meth, etc.) that still handles well. Talk about a beast.. but running your mouth like you're doing won't do anything to dispel the perception that all EVO owners are stuck up douchenozzles.

You once had a turbo bigger than 1.6 liters? That doesn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by jdmcwestevo

my list of mods for the evo is too long and went through different periods based on wat i was into at the time drag, street racing, canyons, track, rally, and tired of breaking **** lol. i went through 37r, 35r, fp green, white rabbit, stock evo VIII, evo IX, had twin scrolls and htas lol i ran open ecu ecuflash and AEM EMS, lots of methanol, built 2.0 had hks 272s, 280s, tomies, and juns, 3 different ported heads, TRE stage 3 trans with gearing shotpeening, and cryo, shep xcase with all the fixings including cusco lsd, i think shep rear diff too cant remember if shep or tre. ran ACT custom clutch setup with AMS stainless lines for the entire thing because i kept blowing lines AND fittings. stock brembos with project mu titan kai pads and rotors stainless lines. volk ce28ns, avr or something rims and evo viii enkies and nt03s. exhaust was 3.5 turbo back, 3" turbo backs rsr, hks, greddy ti, buddyclub, custom, and stock with qtp cutout and just straight out of the turbo lol. rc 750 injectors, 1000's, 1200s, and miraculously only 1 fuel pump walbro 255lph haha idk thats a small chunk of the stuff i had in that car it was a 3 year timeline of builds and re builds haha. had stock VIII suspension, jic flta2s, swift springs on MR bilsteins, idk so much stuff but my highest dyno was like 720awhp with the 37r that was on c16 with no meth. i usually just ran tons of methanol VP M1 and M3 about 1350cc dual nozzle of 650ish and attempted direct port but got lazy. fast car man very fast fun too. just way to much money and issues with all that power i abuse my cars beyond wat any mechanic has ever seen. i was told that my evo has been beaten and abused more than any full race evo or street evo than some of the biggest evo shops have ever seen haha. i like to think i actually used my evo for wat i was made and designed for unlike most people who just show them my car was beat and ugly but had character lol.

Originally Posted by jdmcwestevo

my list of mods for the evo is too long and went through different periods based on wat i was into at the time drag, street racing, canyons, track, rally, and tired of breaking **** lol. i went through 37r, 35r, fp green, white rabbit, stock evo VIII, evo IX, had twin scrolls and htas lol i ran open ecu ecuflash and AEM EMS, lots of methanol, built 2.0 had hks 272s, 280s, tomies, and juns, 3 different ported heads, TRE stage 3 trans with gearing shotpeening, and cryo, shep xcase with all the fixings including cusco lsd, i think shep rear diff too cant remember if shep or tre. ran ACT custom clutch setup with AMS stainless lines for the entire thing because i kept blowing lines AND fittings. stock brembos with project mu titan kai pads and rotors stainless lines. volk ce28ns, avr or something rims and evo viii enkies and nt03s. exhaust was 3.5 turbo back, 3" turbo backs rsr, hks, greddy ti, buddyclub, custom, and stock with qtp cutout and just straight out of the turbo lol. rc 750 injectors, 1000's, 1200s, and miraculously only 1 fuel pump walbro 255lph haha idk thats a small chunk of the stuff i had in that car it was a 3 year timeline of builds and re builds haha. had stock VIII suspension, jic flta2s, swift springs on MR bilsteins, idk so much stuff but my highest dyno was like 720awhp with the 37r that was on c16 with no meth. i usually just ran tons of methanol VP M1 and M3 about 1350cc dual nozzle of 650ish and attempted direct port but got lazy. fast car man very fast fun too. just way to much money and issues with all that power i abuse my cars beyond wat any mechanic has ever seen. i was told that my evo has been beaten and abused more than any full race evo or street evo than some of the biggest evo shops have ever seen haha. i like to think i actually used my evo for wat i was made and designed for unlike most people who just show them my car was beat and ugly but had character lol.my list of mods for the evo is too long and went through different periods based on wat i was into at the time drag, street racing, canyons, track, rally, and tired of breaking **** lol. i went through 37r, 35r, fp green, white rabbit, stock evo VIII, evo IX, had twin scrolls and htas lol i ran open ecu ecuflash and AEM EMS, lots of methanol, built 2.0 had hks 272s, 280s, tomies, and juns, 3 different ported heads, TRE stage 3 trans with gearing shotpeening, and cryo, shep xcase with all the fixings including cusco lsd, i think shep rear diff too cant remember if shep or tre. ran ACT custom clutch setup with AMS stainless lines for the entire thing because i kept blowing lines AND fittings. stock brembos with project mu titan kai pads and rotors stainless lines. volk ce28ns, avr or something rims and evo viii enkies and nt03s. exhaust was 3.5 turbo back, 3" turbo backs rsr, hks, greddy ti, buddyclub, custom, and stock with qtp cutout and just straight out of the turbo lol. rc 750 injectors, 1000's, 1200s, and miraculously only 1 fuel pump walbro 255lph haha idk thats a small chunk of the stuff i had in that car it was a 3 year timeline of builds and re builds haha. had stock VIII suspension, jic flta2s, swift springs on MR bilsteins, idk so much stuff but my highest dyno was like 720awhp with the 37r that was on c16 with no meth. i usually just ran tons of methanol VP M1 and M3 about 1350cc dual nozzle of 650ish and attempted direct port but got lazy. fast car man very fast fun too. just way to much money and issues with all that power i abuse my cars beyond wat any mechanic has ever seen. i was told that my evo has been beaten and abused more than any full race evo or street evo than some of the biggest evo shops have ever seen haha. i like to think i actually used my evo for wat i was made and designed for unlike most people who just show them my car was beat and ugly but had character lol.my list of mods for the evo is too long and went through different periods based on wat i was into at the time drag, street racing, canyons, track, rally, and tired of breaking **** lol. i went through 37r, 35r, fp green, white rabbit, stock evo VIII, evo IX, had twin scrolls and htas lol i ran open ecu ecuflash and AEM EMS, lots of methanol, built 2.0 had hks 272s, 280s, tomies, and juns, 3 different ported heads, TRE stage 3 trans with gearing shotpeening, and cryo, shep xcase with all the fixings including cusco lsd, i think shep rear diff too cant remember if shep or tre. ran ACT custom clutch setup with AMS stainless lines for the entire thing because i kept blowing lines AND fittings. stock brembos with project mu titan kai pads and rotors stainless lines. volk ce28ns, avr or something rims and evo viii enkies and nt03s. exhaust was 3.5 turbo back, 3" turbo backs rsr, hks, greddy ti, buddyclub, custom, and stock with qtp cutout and just straight out of the turbo lol. rc 750 injectors, 1000's, 1200s, and miraculously only 1 fuel pump walbro 255lph haha idk thats a small chunk of the stuff i had in that car it was a 3 year timeline of builds and re builds haha. had stock VIII suspension, jic flta2s, swift springs on MR bilsteins, idk so much stuff but my highest dyno was like 720awhp with the 37r that was on c16 with no meth. i usually just ran tons of methanol VP M1 and M3 about 1350cc dual nozzle of 650ish and attempted direct port but got lazy. fast car man very fast fun too. just way to much money and issues with all that power i abuse my cars beyond wat any mechanic has ever seen. i was told that my evo has been beaten and abused more than any full race evo or street evo than some of the biggest evo shops have ever seen haha. i like to think i actually used my evo for wat i was made and designed for unlike most people who just show them my car was beat and ugly but had character lol.

Originally Posted by ray_sir_6

Different mufflers - yes, several different mufflers (MS car was only one running full exhaust)
Different viscosity oil - It's possible
Different wheel/tire combos - yes
Different intercooler dimensions - No, all were running our custom FMIC Kit
Different air filters - Yes
Different exhaust manifolds - stock
Different rear-end gearing - stock
Different trim turbos - stock
Different gap spark plugs - It's possible
Different thermostats - it's possible. They were all cold for their pulls.
Different ambient temps - It's possible
Different fuel pumps - possible, but none were extreme enough to test the stock one
Different cam timing - stock
Different wastegate sizes - stock
Different boost by half a psi - they log by MAP, all were running same max BAR
Different turbo heatshielding - stock
Different inlet air temperatures - It's possible
Different mass flywheels - It's possible
Different air pressure in the driven wheels - It's possible

None of that would add up to 20whp. Especially with the advantage of a better flowing exhaust.

Originally Posted by hustler

even though this thread is full of massive HIV gayness...I've never heard anyone bitch about Bryce's tuning or a bad experience. Even though I have an inferior computer in the car, I'm going to take it to Alamo for the next round of tuning.

"We've" been taking VW's to that dyno for over a decade with no horror stories...just awesome power with low boost pressures and small turbos. I miss the glory days of streetracing with the VW/DSM crew.
Nathan, I may come visit you guys on saturday just to say hi. If Savington would send my COPs, I'd come by with cash for tuning.

edit: street racing is gay. Be a man and get skull-fucked by Hustler on the track. Hopefully I'll get to do an Apex day soon, then Keith Verges will get pissed off enough to come play on the track. I see him as the benchmark in TX right now. I have the equipment now...time to bring skill to the table...and I know I have a lot to learn.

Originally Posted by patsmx5

dewd hEs nott rying 2brag but he are has turrbz biger thann ur motro. dats al lol...dont hate cuzz. We won't know if he's correct or not anyways until ray tells us.

Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy

my dick is bigger so it doesnt matter. i can also not capitalize my letters like you, so im better. my car is so fast, i can beat the millenium falcon from a dig...

Originally Posted by BenR

To sum it all up ray doesn't understand all of the functionality of the MS, and for what he paid for his AEM he could have bought a MS, 500cc RC injectors, an AEM boost controller, and be making enough power with his greddy that he could be breaking 5 speeds.

Originally Posted by ray_sir_6

I'll be here. Are you signed up for the TDR Track Day in May? Keith has alreay said a few times he will be out with us in his Turbo SM car. I should have my friend (the Stig) there as well, so they can play on the track and see who is really faster.

Originally Posted by hustler

Yep, can't wait to shake the car down and make sure its going to be ready to run all day out there. I've spent a lot of time in a 94whp car, working on skills and trying to make the most of the knowledge base. I'm excited to finally have a car that can play with the adults. Are you going to drive your car, or the secret driver with the secret spark table? lol

Originally Posted by ray_sir_6

I'll be driving it. "The Stig" will be there to maybe get a session in. It depends on if Keith wants to play.