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Old 03-24-2013, 08:36 AM   #1
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Talking NEW Turbo build with avo kit

Hey guys long time viewer first time poster

i have been watching all the build threads and posts and wanted to be a little more active on this community

love some of the builds and comments or advice from 18psi,dem768,hustler,fae



My Current build plans for my 1999 mx5 manual are

Engine

spare 1.8 engine (done)
wiseco 8.5:1 84mm pistons (ordered)
manley rods(ordered)
arp bolts
acl race bearings
supertech os valves (ordered)
supertech double valve springs(ordered)
supertech valve stem seals(ordered)
gates racing belt
boundry engineering oil pump
head porting polishing
inlet manifold hollowing
variable inlet runners delete
ID1000 injectors
dw300 pump
adaptronic ecu
full engine balance (and built buy a well known engine builder)
begi cold air box
fm clutch

Body

frame rails
Rollcage (done )
boss frog arms
sway bars
bc coilovers (done)
hardtop


Avo turbo kit

Avo Manifold ported,polished and port matched
replace avo inlet pipe
GT2871rs
custom 3" dump pipe


The i dont know list

skunk 2 throttle body
cam gears /cams


i think i am heading in the right direction i want to run about 21psi i would love any advice or different opinions

what power do you guys think i should expect


Thanks in advance i know its a big first post
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:49 AM   #2
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Adaptronic is an unusual choice these days. Have you seen the MS3 Basic that Reverent is building?

See comparison chart here.

See discussion thread here.

If I was in the market for an ECU it would be difficult to choose differently at present. You must be in Australia to choose otherwise. There is no location in your profile under your screen name.

You have neglected the harmonic balancer upgrade which becomes very important at higher horsepower values. Harmonic Balancer Miata
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:58 AM   #3
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the adaptronic is due to my location i am afraid of my preferred tuner not knowing how to use ms3 cause i know that is a preference on here

other things i am happy with adaptronic is the easy flex fuel feature
the bad things like no dual boost maps are a bit of a detractor not to mention
the $1700 price tag here in australia

the balancer i not payed attention to cause i see so many that do not do it they just do the boundry oil pump i will have to do further reaserch on this thank you

its never cheap is it
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:39 AM   #4
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its never cheap is it
Nope. Building performance cars has a way of getting your money out of you upfront (buy expensive quality components first), or later (buy cheap stuff, watch it break, then buy the expensive components anyways).

Good luck with the build, get a thread going in the build section if you get a chance.
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Old 03-24-2013, 05:34 PM   #5
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My intention is to make a proper build thread when i have all the parts

Does anyone know the record for an AVO kit ?
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You are aussie right?

Im from newcastle, Ive done 297whp on a 1,6L.

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Good luck on your build. Looks like it should be fairly well sorted.

Whatever you do, DO NOT dyno on the retarded POS that Dann used. Its pretty much useless and no one believes its numbers or consistency.

Try to find a dynojet or something consistent.
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You are aussie right?

Im from newcastle, Ive done 297whp on a 1,6L.

Dann
Is this with the avo cast dump pipe?
And what engine managment did you use?

Im from victoria there are not too many turbo mx5's here
Silly thing is i prefer driving my relatily stock NB even over
My 412rwk v8 i cant wait till its turbo charged the ford will never leave the garage lol

Anyone else

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Is this with the avo cast dump pipe?

Yep, amazingly so

And what engine managment did you use?

MS2
18psi is mad cos i built a new manifold and exhaust and pulled 325whp with the 2560, which everyone said was impossible and couoldnt be done, even with E85. they were wrong.

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Wow 325rwhp sounds massive for a t25 on a 1.6 what pressure is that up too ?
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All of it.

22-24psi.

1.6L 2560r record attempt

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Does anyone have any feedback before i order alot of theese parts?
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Does anyone have any feedback before i order alot of theese parts?
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My Current build plans for my 1999 mx5 manual are

Engine
Everything looks solid

Avo turbo kit

Avo Manifold ported,polished and port matched not sure why you would go this route with a nice built engine and good turbo vs a nice tubular setup
replace avo inlet pipe
GT2871rs good
custom 3" dump pipe
Basically your engine plans look solid IMO.
Your choice of turbo is good too.

I'm just kinda iffy about the AVO setup vs something much more efficient available through our fabricators
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Not a lot of people use the avo stuff. Most of it is either fm/begi or custom. There are a bunch of greddy kits floating around but they are getting more and more sparse.

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18psi is mad cos i built a new manifold and exhaust and pulled 325whp with the 2560, which everyone said was impossible and couoldnt be done, even with E85. they were wrong.

Dann
You're such a jackass. Go read the thread. People said you wouldn't hit 340-350 or something along those lines not 325. Even with your suspicious dyno you still didn't do anything we didn't already know. e85 is good for some extra mid range tq and a couple % up top.

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True on gasoline. But E85 has 12% more torque potential and that's 36hp alone at this rate. 310+36 is dangerously close to 350hp.

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last time i checked 325 is not 350 even on some shady dyno.
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I priced up a fm kit here for australia normal kit cost plus all the extras i wanted and getting it to here was heading over 7,000aud which was too much

And i do remember reaserching a gt2871 on a fm log you do need to knotch the rail whick is a big no no here in australia

Another reasons for choosing an avo cast over a fabricated one that it has that semi stock look its a full kit that works i can replace the bits that wont suit my goals ie that restrictive dump pipe and the cast inlet also reliability come into consideration

Another thing i have read on here a member replaced his AVO log manifold with a begi one and lost spool which i didnt give a crap about but it has recently become a factor for drivability reasons

As for Dan he might very well have those figures but a 1/4 mile run is the way to see if he uses a "happy dyno"
Sounds wierd i prefer a low reading dyno it feels more realistic i always quote the lower for my nugget ford even though it has read higher

With the boosted 1.8 guys have you had any benigit from cams at all ?

My engine builder thinks its the only thing im missing
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There is talk of cams for 1.8, but not a whole lot of it. Apparently some company in UK is making some, but no one has posted results yet.
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To OP.

You wont get anything better than the standard dump pipe, its location is the problem, and the design reflects this.

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To OP.

You wont get anything better than the standard dump pipe, its location is the problem, and the design reflects this.

Dann
Wrong i have devised a clever way to fit a 3" dump its going to be amazing
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Lol, turbo adaptor that rotates the turbo so the rear faces downward, cutting the shelf ?

What?

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Lol, turbo adaptor that rotates the turbo so the rear faces downward, cutting the shelf ?

What?

Dann
You will see its way too simple cannot believe it has not been done before actually i know its been done before im refining it
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