Trackspeed Engineering Turbo Kit installed: first impressions. *Real update in post*
05-21-2014, 11:06 PM
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I'm usually a form follows function kinda guy. If there is no functional difference between the two, I'll take the cheaper one.
Having said that, if you decide to go with the sand cast one don't you EVER show us what an investment cast one looks like. After what I've seen on the earlier ones (even though they explode) this is frankly a huge disappointment:
Having said that, if you decide to go with the sand cast one don't you EVER show us what an investment cast one looks like. After what I've seen on the earlier ones (even though they explode) this is frankly a huge disappointment:
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05-21-2014, 11:25 PM
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Switching to a sand-cast part enables us to spend a not-insignificant amount of money on ensuring that the surface finish is up to par and still substantially reduce the retail price point. It will be way nicer than BW's cast housings are.
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05-22-2014, 03:15 AM
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A question for those of you waiting with baited breath:
Would you pay a substantial amount of money for a prettier, investment cast part over a less pretty (but still attractive) sand cast part? How much extra money would you spend for the prettier part, assuming the function of the two parts is substantially identical?
Would you pay a substantial amount of money for a prettier, investment cast part over a less pretty (but still attractive) sand cast part? How much extra money would you spend for the prettier part, assuming the function of the two parts is substantially identical?
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05-22-2014, 07:52 AM
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All depends on the quality of the sand cast/Foundry.
I've seen some very good ones; I've seen some awful ones. I'm partial to investment castings since the tolerances are tighter and the castings tend to be less porous on the surface. This said, exhaust manifolds get post machined so it's largely an aesthetic/cost issue.
-Zach
I've seen some very good ones; I've seen some awful ones. I'm partial to investment castings since the tolerances are tighter and the castings tend to be less porous on the surface. This said, exhaust manifolds get post machined so it's largely an aesthetic/cost issue.
-Zach
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05-22-2014, 08:22 AM
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Granted, you can investment-cast it out of unobtanium, and then polish it, and then apply an exotic coating to it, but at the end of the day, it's an exhaust manifold. It might be an extremely nice exhaust manifold, but you're still going to bolt a turbo to it, close the hood, and beat the **** out of it for the next few years, not buy it dinner, tell it that it looks positively radiant tonight, run your fingers through its auburn hair and make gentle, passionate love to it on 600-threadcount Egyptian cotton sheets with Al Green playing softly in the background as the flame from a single a cinnamon-scented candle casts passionate shadows against the velvet-draped wall.
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05-22-2014, 09:29 AM
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A question for those of you waiting with baited breath:
Would you pay a substantial amount of money for a prettier, investment cast part over a less pretty (but still attractive) sand cast part? How much extra money would you spend for the prettier part, assuming the function of the two parts is substantially identical?
Would you pay a substantial amount of money for a prettier, investment cast part over a less pretty (but still attractive) sand cast part? How much extra money would you spend for the prettier part, assuming the function of the two parts is substantially identical?
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05-22-2014, 09:43 AM
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Stupid question:
I have no idea what sort of production volume is anticipated for each individual style of manifold, however I presume the production volume to be relatively low and centered around small batches.
Presupposing that the wax patterns were produced on-demand by a 3d printing process, would the decreased up-front tooling cost justify the increased per-unit cost to the point where something resembling cost parity is achieved?
I have no idea what sort of production volume is anticipated for each individual style of manifold, however I presume the production volume to be relatively low and centered around small batches.
Presupposing that the wax patterns were produced on-demand by a 3d printing process, would the decreased up-front tooling cost justify the increased per-unit cost to the point where something resembling cost parity is achieved?
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05-22-2014, 09:55 AM
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Stupid question:
I have no idea what sort of production volume is anticipated for each individual style of manifold, however I presume the production volume to be relatively low and centered around small batches.
Presupposing that the wax patterns were produced on-demand by a 3d printing process, would the decreased up-front tooling cost justify the increased per-unit cost to the point where something resembling cost parity is achieved?
I have no idea what sort of production volume is anticipated for each individual style of manifold, however I presume the production volume to be relatively low and centered around small batches.
Presupposing that the wax patterns were produced on-demand by a 3d printing process, would the decreased up-front tooling cost justify the increased per-unit cost to the point where something resembling cost parity is achieved?
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05-22-2014, 10:25 AM
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.......buy it dinner, tell it that it looks positively radiant tonight, run your fingers through its auburn hair and make gentle, passionate love to it on 600-threadcount Egyptian cotton sheets with Al Green playing softly in the background as the flame from a single a cinnamon-scented candle casts passionate shadows against the velvet-draped wall.
I guess I fall somewhere in the middle.
For $50 extra, I'd buy the prettier piece.
For $150 extra, i'd rather coat the cheaper piece.
But I don't think my price scale is realistic.
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05-22-2014, 10:42 AM
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That was my own intuitive reaction.
Granted, you can investment-cast it out of unobtanium, and then polish it, and then apply an exotic coating to it, but at the end of the day, it's an exhaust manifold. It might be an extremely nice exhaust manifold, but you're still going to bolt a turbo to it, close the hood, and beat the **** out of it for the next few years, not buy it dinner, tell it that it looks positively radiant tonight, run your fingers through its auburn hair and make gentle, passionate love to it on 600-threadcount Egyptian cotton sheets with Al Green playing softly in the background as the flame from a single a cinnamon-scented candle casts passionate shadows against the velvet-draped wall.
Granted, you can investment-cast it out of unobtanium, and then polish it, and then apply an exotic coating to it, but at the end of the day, it's an exhaust manifold. It might be an extremely nice exhaust manifold, but you're still going to bolt a turbo to it, close the hood, and beat the **** out of it for the next few years, not buy it dinner, tell it that it looks positively radiant tonight, run your fingers through its auburn hair and make gentle, passionate love to it on 600-threadcount Egyptian cotton sheets with Al Green playing softly in the background as the flame from a single a cinnamon-scented candle casts passionate shadows against the velvet-draped wall.
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05-22-2014, 10:48 AM
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It might be an extremely nice exhaust manifold, but you're still going to bolt a turbo to it, close the hood, and beat the **** out of it for the next few years, not buy it dinner, tell it that it looks positively radiant tonight, run your fingers through its auburn hair and make gentle, passionate love to it on 600-threadcount Egyptian cotton sheets with Al Green playing softly in the background as the flame from a single a cinnamon-scented candle casts passionate shadows against the velvet-draped wall.
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