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Old 12-22-2015, 09:05 PM   #101
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Old 12-22-2015, 09:09 PM   #102
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This looks wonderful

DO you have a wider view to show the filter location (if it'll be any better than the Artech on an NA)

Is the piping routed similar to the FM setup, or does it sling forward and under by the Sway mount.

Does the wastegate canister stand proud/would it interfere with Singular hood vents. Oh my gahhhhd questions

Maybe I will be changing my setup soon
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Filter location there isn't final. I'm doing mockup on an NA over the next couple of weeks to work out filter location and downpipe stuff.

Piping routes straight down next to the A/C condenser, then under the forward UCA bushing, then forward underneath/inside the swaybar. Very compact and clean, owing to the forward location of the turbo and the ability to retain the factory lower coolant hose.

Canister is under the factory STB, it won't hit anything.
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Look great. In for more pictures.

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Filter location there isn't final. I'm doing mockup on an NA over the next couple of weeks to work out filter location and downpipe stuff.

Piping routes straight down next to the A/C condenser, then under the forward UCA bushing, then forward underneath/inside the swaybar. Very compact and clean, owing to the forward location of the turbo and the ability to retain the factory lower coolant hose.

Canister is under the factory STB, it won't hit anything.
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Q: Will this kit run a catalytic convertor or some sort just in case Highway Patrol decides to look under the car....
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Q: Will this kit run a catalytic convertor or some sort just in case Highway Patrol decides to look under the car....
Our DP connects to the factory cat.
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Our DP connects to the factory cat.
Even on the Mazdaspeeds? I think the factory cat is on the downpipe on msm's...correct me if I'm wrong..thanks!
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Rough estimate is ~$2500-2600.
Is this the price for the full product with pre-order or after the price jumps up?
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Four sessions at Buttonwillow today, running 3-4 seconds faster than SM pace in a full-weight NB2. Running at ~180whp/7psi until I can get a reroute and smaller intercooler installed. Only opened the hood to show people that it was turbocharged.

Kind of weird to drive a turbo car fast all day and not spin a single wrench.
So will the recommendation for bp6d customers be a 99-00 head gasket to go with a coolant reroute?
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That's the recommendation for any bp6d track car.
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Even on the Mazdaspeeds? I think the factory cat is on the downpipe on msm's...correct me if I'm wrong..thanks!
You're correct, the MSM downpipe/exhaust is different. MSM owners will need to switch to an aftermarket NB exhaust, and if you need a cat, you can incorporate one into the aftermarket exhaust.

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Is this the price for the full product with pre-order or after the price jumps up?
That estimate is for pre-orders. Full price will be a few hundred dollars higher.

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So will the recommendation for bp6d customers be a 99-00 head gasket to go with a coolant reroute?
I've run enough track hours on BP6Ds with reroutes to be comfortable recommending it. It's not as good as using a BP26 head gasket with a reroute, but it's better than not having a reroute at all.
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Doesn't that leave the front starved of coolant because of the blocked watter passages in the front of the head?
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we've survived a total of 30 racing hours with a stock vvt motor and no temps over 200 verified with a MS (supposed hot spot). Temps go up with turbo but it's not the end of the world to run a nb2 gasket and no reroute.
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we've survived a total of 30 racing hours with a stock vvt motor and no temps over 200 verified with a MS (supposed hot spot). Temps go up with turbo but it's not the end of the world to run a nb2 gasket and no reroute.
Sav specifically said stock gasket with reroute. Which would stop coolant from getting to the front. In the coolant reroute thread the BP6D head gasket is compared to the earlier one. It's missing a lot of holes up front. Which is why a reroute isn't suggested for BP6D. And turbo adds a **** ton of heat.
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That's the recommendation for any bp6d track car.

Really? My temps are pretty rock solid 200-205 with stock rad and no reroute. Hottest it ever gets is the back straight at road atlanta, where it might hit 209 before going back down.


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I've run enough track hours on BP6Ds with reroutes to be comfortable recommending it. It's not as good as using a BP26 head gasket with a reroute, but it's better than not having a reroute at all.
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Doesn't that leave the front starved of coolant because of the blocked watter passages in the front of the head?
This was my understanding... that a reroute w/out headgasket was worse than stock. Not the case?
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Really? My temps are pretty rock solid 200-205 with stock rad and no reroute. Hottest it ever gets is the back straight at road atlanta, where it might hit 209 before going back down.
Do you have an EFR stuck on the side? And making more than 150hp?
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Do you have an EFR stuck on the side? And making more than 150hp?
No, but your post said "any bp6d track car" not "any bp6d track car with a turbo". And I put down 151whp on a Mustang dyno, so there's that
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No, but your post said "any bp6d track car" not "any bp6d track car with a turbo". And I put down 151whp on a Mustang dyno, so there's that
Yeah. It's a recommendation. Are you measuring different spots in the head? Or just one place.

Again. This is a thread about a turbo kit. I assumed when I said any track car people would realize I was talking about a turbo car...because were in a thread about a turbo kit.
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Yeah. It's a recommendation. Are you measuring different spots in the head? Or just one place.

Again. This is a thread about a turbo kit. I assumed when I said any track car people would realize I was talking about a turbo car...because were in a thread about a turbo kit.
Just what's coming out the back of the head.

But that's what I wanted to know - I should probably plan for a reroute and head gasket when doing this.
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Again. This is a thread about a turbo kit. I assumed when I said any track car people would realize I was talking about a turbo car...because were in a thread about a turbo kit.
Nah, don't assume that. It's best to literally say what you literally mean.

I thought, based on multiple years of postings in this thread, that NB2 reroutes were discouraged without using the BP26-10-271 head gasket, due to the changes Mazda made in the later gasket being unfriendly (possible #1 coolant starvation) with reroutes. Many posts about it. Crusher ran a BP26-10-271 head gasket with its reroute.

So now I'm somewhat confused. If Sav is saying reroutes are now ok with the NB2 head gasket, I no longer know what current Best Practice is. My engine has a BP26-10-271 head gasket in it.
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