Adventures in PTE/TTE
03-12-2013, 01:23 PM
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Same +2pts as going all the way to the Trackspeed kit. If you change the bracket or rotor diameter, you take the points. My car is classed as a '90, so I have to go all the way back to stock calipers and stock rotor diameter to get the points back.
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03-12-2013, 01:28 PM
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Greenbaum allows you to class as a different model of the same platform as long as all the components that make it the other model will bolt to your tub and vice versa. Precedent was an FC RX7 turbo at nationals that was the n/a model with the turbo brakes and LSD, classed as the turbo. I did that at nationals with the MSM and promptly got 100lbs added to any MSM dyno class. (sorry!)
So any NB year can run Sport Brakes front and/or rear. Thus, classing and NA6 as an NA8 is OK. Someone could argue that a few of the studs welded to the bare tub are different but it's in the spirit of the rules so even at nationals no one will give you grief if your VIN doesn't match your PT form, provided it's on the same line or cross compatible as described above.
So any NB year can run Sport Brakes front and/or rear. Thus, classing and NA6 as an NA8 is OK. Someone could argue that a few of the studs welded to the bare tub are different but it's in the spirit of the rules so even at nationals no one will give you grief if your VIN doesn't match your PT form, provided it's on the same line or cross compatible as described above.
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03-12-2013, 01:35 PM
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I would certainly send an email to Greg explaining the situation. It's a waste of points classing a 1.6 PTF**. Tire size alone makes up the difference of going to PTE base class.
Of course with Andrew being on NASA's radar after pissing off the SoCal PTE RX-7 drivers, he might not want to re-class his car.
Of course with Andrew being on NASA's radar after pissing off the SoCal PTE RX-7 drivers, he might not want to re-class his car.
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03-12-2013, 01:43 PM
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I would certainly send an email to Greg explaining the situation. It's a waste of points classing a 1.6 PTF**. Tire size alone makes up the difference of going to PTE base class.
Of course with Andrew being on NASA's radar after pissing off the SoCal PTE RX-7 drivers, he might not want to re-class his car.
Of course with Andrew being on NASA's radar after pissing off the SoCal PTE RX-7 drivers, he might not want to re-class his car.
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03-12-2013, 02:00 PM
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PTF** on 205s: 19 + 6 (F**) + 1 (215-205) = 26pts to spend
PTE on 205s = 19 + 7 (235-205) = 26pts to spend
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03-12-2013, 02:03 PM
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NA8s aren't given as favorable a power to weight ratio as NA6s. I could reclass as an NA8 and get the 1.8 brakes, but I have to take a weight penalty for the privilege.
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03-12-2013, 03:41 PM
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My **** on a TTE* base at 2490/145whp
Tire
+6 = 225 NT-01
Drive-train
+3 six speed
+3 LSD
Suspension
+3 Dampers
+2 Springs
+2 Sway bar
Brakes
+2 BBC
Aero
+3 bumper/air dam
Subtotal
=24 points
+7 for the *
Grant Total:
+39 points putting me in TTD.
Tire
+6 = 225 NT-01
Drive-train
+3 six speed
+3 LSD
Suspension
+3 Dampers
+2 Springs
+2 Sway bar
Brakes
+2 BBC
Aero
+3 bumper/air dam
Subtotal
=24 points
+7 for the *
Grant Total:
+39 points putting me in TTD.
Last edited by hustler; 03-12-2013 at 04:57 PM.
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03-12-2013, 03:48 PM
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And then cheat like a mf'er because NASA will never tech you past dyno'ing you and weighing you after you come off the track.
Even at Nationals the PT tech is laughable.
I finished on the podium in PTB a few years ago, I was blown away by how little they checked. I was disappointed because my car was completely legal, I should have been cheated up...
Even at Nationals the PT tech is laughable.
I finished on the podium in PTB a few years ago, I was blown away by how little they checked. I was disappointed because my car was completely legal, I should have been cheated up...
just few weeks prior to National, Crusher was thoroughly combed over by Socal tech, sent to dyno, then have Traqmate installed in it for the later race (which it went faster).
of course it is possible to cheat after this regional race just prior to the runoff. but Greg already had an idea how fast Crusher is compared to others (some other socal that also won and podium the national). As long as Crusher did not suddenly go another couple of seconds faster, there is no need to go over it with find tooth comb....
Last edited by bellwilliam; 03-12-2013 at 04:06 PM.
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03-12-2013, 03:52 PM
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My **** on a TTE* base at 2490/145whp
Tire
+6 = 225 NT-01
Drive-train
+3 six speed
+3 LSD
Suspension
+3 Dampers
+2 Springs
+2 Sway bar
Brakes
+2 BBC
Aero
+3 bumper/air dam
Subtotal
=24 points
+7 for the *
Grant Total:
+31 points putting me in TTD.
if I were you, I would run 205 RR or Hoosier. NASA points system really penalize wider (as what's said on the side wall, not the actual width). or if you have enough hp, go to 225 Hoosier.
Tire
+6 = 225 NT-01
Drive-train
+3 six speed
+3 LSD
Suspension
+3 Dampers
+2 Springs
+2 Sway bar
Brakes
+2 BBC
Aero
+3 bumper/air dam
Subtotal
=24 points
+7 for the *
Grant Total:
+31 points putting me in TTD.
if I were you, I would run 205 RR or Hoosier. NASA points system really penalize wider (as what's said on the side wall, not the actual width). or if you have enough hp, go to 225 Hoosier.
Last edited by hustler; 03-12-2013 at 04:57 PM. Reason: Math fail
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03-12-2013, 03:58 PM
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Go fast enough and they will spend plenty of time teching. I spent ~4hrs in tech at a regional race last year after outqualifying P2 by ~2sec. Weight, ~60 minutes on the dyno, and full engine bay and chassis inspection.
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