Team 949 Racing @ NASA Nationals Sept 5-8, 2013
09-08-2013, 03:44 AM
#21
One thing I notice is at the time of impact, you only have one hand on the wheel. If you were intending contact, you would have had a firm grip with both hands. The videos do tell two different stories though. The mini's looks much more damning than yours. Suspension from the final does seem like BS for a defending champion. Sorry friend. :(
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09-08-2013, 07:01 AM
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Yeah, I would say watching the video you were just on your line and he cut out to pass you assuming you saw him make the move (where there wasn't much room to start with).
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09-08-2013, 11:30 AM
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Lol... went back to check the exact wording of hte rulebook. Pretty much everything in the rules puts emilio not at fault.
25.4
Rules for Overtaking
25.4.1
Passing General
The responsibility for the decision to pass another
car, and to do it safely, rests with the overtakin
g driver. The
overtaken driver should be aware that he/she is bei
ng passed and must not impede the pass by blocking.
A
driver who does not watch his/her mirrors or who ap
pears to be blocking another car seeking a pass may
be
black-flagged and/or penalized. The act of passing
is initiated when the trailing car’s (Car A) front
bumper
overlaps with the lead car’s (Car B) rear bumper. T
he act of passing is complete when Car A’s rear bum
per is
ahead of Car B’s front bumper. “NO PASSING” means
a pass cannot even be initiated. Any overlap in a
NO
PASSING area is considered illegal.
25.4.2
Punting
The term “punting” is defined as nose to tail (or s
ide-of-the-nose to side-of-the-tail) contact, where
the leading
car is significantly knocked off of the racing line
. Once the trailing car has its front wheel next t
o the driver of the
other vehicle, it is considered that the trailing c
ar has a right to be there. And, that the leading
driver must leave
the trailing driver enough “racing room.” In most
cases, “racing room” is defined as “at least three
quarters of
one car width.” If adequate racing room is left fo
r the trailing car, and there is incidental contact
made between
the cars, the contact will be considered “side-to-s
ide.” In most cases, incidental side-to-side conta
ct is
considered to be “just a racing incident.” If, in
the case of side-to-side contact, one of the two ca
rs leaves the
racing surface (involuntarily) then it may still be
considered “a racing incident.”
Note: See specific class rules for variations in th
is rule.
25.4.3
Right to the Line
The driver in front has the right to choose any lin
e, as long as they are not considered to be blockin
g. The
driver attempting to make a pass shall have the rig
ht to the line when their front wheel is next to th
e driver of the
other vehicle. Note: This rule may be superseded
by class specific rules.
25.4.4
Blocking
A driver may choose to protect his or her line so l
ong as it is not considered blocking. Blocking is
defined as
two (2) consecutive line changes to “protect his/he
r line,” and in doing so, impedes the vehicle that
is trying to
pass with each of the two (2) consecutive movements
. Drivers are encouraged to check with the Race Di
rector
for a full explanation before the start of the race
.
Rules for Overtaking
25.4.1
Passing General
The responsibility for the decision to pass another
car, and to do it safely, rests with the overtakin
g driver. The
overtaken driver should be aware that he/she is bei
ng passed and must not impede the pass by blocking.
A
driver who does not watch his/her mirrors or who ap
pears to be blocking another car seeking a pass may
be
black-flagged and/or penalized. The act of passing
is initiated when the trailing car’s (Car A) front
bumper
overlaps with the lead car’s (Car B) rear bumper. T
he act of passing is complete when Car A’s rear bum
per is
ahead of Car B’s front bumper. “NO PASSING” means
a pass cannot even be initiated. Any overlap in a
NO
PASSING area is considered illegal.
25.4.2
Punting
The term “punting” is defined as nose to tail (or s
ide-of-the-nose to side-of-the-tail) contact, where
the leading
car is significantly knocked off of the racing line
. Once the trailing car has its front wheel next t
o the driver of the
other vehicle, it is considered that the trailing c
ar has a right to be there. And, that the leading
driver must leave
the trailing driver enough “racing room.” In most
cases, “racing room” is defined as “at least three
quarters of
one car width.” If adequate racing room is left fo
r the trailing car, and there is incidental contact
made between
the cars, the contact will be considered “side-to-s
ide.” In most cases, incidental side-to-side conta
ct is
considered to be “just a racing incident.” If, in
the case of side-to-side contact, one of the two ca
rs leaves the
racing surface (involuntarily) then it may still be
considered “a racing incident.”
Note: See specific class rules for variations in th
is rule.
25.4.3
Right to the Line
The driver in front has the right to choose any lin
e, as long as they are not considered to be blockin
g. The
driver attempting to make a pass shall have the rig
ht to the line when their front wheel is next to th
e driver of the
other vehicle. Note: This rule may be superseded
by class specific rules.
25.4.4
Blocking
A driver may choose to protect his or her line so l
ong as it is not considered blocking. Blocking is
defined as
two (2) consecutive line changes to “protect his/he
r line,” and in doing so, impedes the vehicle that
is trying to
pass with each of the two (2) consecutive movements
. Drivers are encouraged to check with the Race Di
rector
for a full explanation before the start of the race
.
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09-09-2013, 05:49 PM
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I am a very experienced Chump racecar driver listen to my thoughts:
When you see a car creeping over and want to jump-up into the rear quarter panel, don't expect the lead car to see you.
Sometimes, you have to put two or four off to avoid a collision because.
It's a bump, it's not the end of the world, not every race is perfectly clean.
That dude in the Mini is a crybaby victim.
When you see a car creeping over and want to jump-up into the rear quarter panel, don't expect the lead car to see you.
Sometimes, you have to put two or four off to avoid a collision because.
It's a bump, it's not the end of the world, not every race is perfectly clean.
That dude in the Mini is a crybaby victim.
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09-09-2013, 06:12 PM
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I am a very experienced Chump racecar driver listen to my thoughts:
When you see a car creeping over and want to jump-up into the rear quarter panel, don't expect the lead car to see you.
Sometimes, you have to put two or four off to avoid a collision because.
It's a bump, it's not the end of the world, not every race is perfectly clean.
That dude in the Mini is a crybaby victim.
When you see a car creeping over and want to jump-up into the rear quarter panel, don't expect the lead car to see you.
Sometimes, you have to put two or four off to avoid a collision because.
It's a bump, it's not the end of the world, not every race is perfectly clean.
That dude in the Mini is a crybaby victim.
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09-09-2013, 06:25 PM
#39
Frame by frame, watching the background buildings referenced against the mini's A pillar, you see the mini's sharp yaw to the right just before impact. The optical trick that's fooling everyone is the cones on the left edge of the track. They are out about 1-2'. When the cones end, it fools the eye into looking like I move left. But pay close attention to the buildings on the right side of the track in relation to the mini's right side A pillar.
When the mini first steps to the left, his drivers eye view shows space where the cones being a further 1-2' further out, creating the illusion of a wider track. About .5s later the mini can now see past the left side of my car, sees the actual track edge is closer and suddenly realizes the space he thought he had, does not exist. It is at this moment that he has the choice to lift, brake, do nothing and go off or steer right towards my LR. He chooses the latter, the mini's short overhang allows the leading edge of his RF tire to hit my bodywork and bounced left. This pulls the steering wheel out his hands as the car is now steering left. He catches the wheel a moment too late.
In my video, you see me holding a dead straight line then steering right just before impact. My wheel gets more sharply turned to the right from the impact and pulled from my hands. How is this possible if I am steering into the mini? It isn't.
Notice that at the instant of impact the mini has all four tires on the pavement.
I knew the video would be taken down because a frame by frame shows my actions were 100% legal, his not so much. This is why I recorded it off my laptop in hi-res while at nationals.
When the mini first steps to the left, his drivers eye view shows space where the cones being a further 1-2' further out, creating the illusion of a wider track. About .5s later the mini can now see past the left side of my car, sees the actual track edge is closer and suddenly realizes the space he thought he had, does not exist. It is at this moment that he has the choice to lift, brake, do nothing and go off or steer right towards my LR. He chooses the latter, the mini's short overhang allows the leading edge of his RF tire to hit my bodywork and bounced left. This pulls the steering wheel out his hands as the car is now steering left. He catches the wheel a moment too late.
In my video, you see me holding a dead straight line then steering right just before impact. My wheel gets more sharply turned to the right from the impact and pulled from my hands. How is this possible if I am steering into the mini? It isn't.
Notice that at the instant of impact the mini has all four tires on the pavement.
I knew the video would be taken down because a frame by frame shows my actions were 100% legal, his not so much. This is why I recorded it off my laptop in hi-res while at nationals.
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09-09-2013, 06:40 PM
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For some perspective, this is the very first corner, of my first W2W race ever.
Go to 28 seconds, this gay parser **** won't let me post a direct link.
How is this possible? This isn't a fair comparison because the dynamics are different, but all I had to to do remedy the situation was drop two tires in case the dude I was passing didn't see me. We still made the podium, I did not require hormone replacement therapy, all is well.
How is this possible? This isn't a fair comparison because the dynamics are different, but all I had to to do remedy the situation was drop two tires in case the dude I was passing didn't see me. We still made the podium, I did not require hormone replacement therapy, all is well.
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