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Old 08-05-2009, 05:00 AM   #1
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Default The new map packs are finally out

Well it took me till about... 3:50 this morning to get all the files turned over, but they are finally done.

Let me know your success/failure as soon as you can.

I have not added the supercharger maps, or the odd size injector maps (550's , 460's, and 330's), but I'll put those together soon.

Changes to the base maps:


All fans operate in parallel and maintain a/c function

Rev limits are set back to stock at 7000RPM

Dead times are set

My enrichment settings are mimicked

Coolant trims corrected

Coolant sensor calibration corrected

Cranking fuel corrected

Basic settings rechecked and changed accordingly

New fuel maps uploaded to all 3-bar maps

1-Bar maps were all corrected to display correct KPa in operation

Launch control disabled

Flat shift disabled

Over run disabled

Soft/Hard rev set to zero

There are probably more but that's what I remember doing off the top my head.
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Waiting on the 460cc map
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Thanks Travis. I will try it out tonight. Had to put shocks on my truck last night so no time to play with the car. It actually probably helped with my stress level as I would have been playing with my old map.
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Travis,

Will also try tonight... got the injectors back and sorta installed last night; but have a vacuum leak that sounds like "Mr. Thirsty" at the dentist's office!!!

Thanks for all the hard work and efforts! Your support is priceless!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,
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Travis, to save the 18psis some trouble, you should post a "how to" for different injector sizes. ie all the locations where absolute fuel pulse values are used (cranking, async, fuel map, etc) and how to scale each appropriately for the different injector size. Would be a good way to spare yourself making 3000 basemaps.

oh and aren't the NB cars rev limits 7200?
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Travis, to save the 18psis some trouble, you should post a "how to" for different injector sizes. ie all the locations where absolute fuel pulse values are used (cranking, async, fuel map, etc) and how to scale each appropriately for the different injector size. Would be a good way to spare yourself making 3000 basemaps.

oh and aren't the NB cars rev limits 7200?
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Absolutely cannot agree with you more


Last time I had to change all the cranking fuel and just adjust trim 15-20%. If there is a better way to do it I'm all ears.
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OK I drove it.

The truth, no sugar coating.

This map is borderline undriveable. I only say borderline because I have been dicking with this software for months and I knew how to handle it and deal with it. For a Newb, it is undriveable.

The car will not start. It fires and then dies. Only when you catch it with the throttle will it settle into a 11 AFR idle.

Cruise cells in the 40 and 60kPa range are in the 11's, sometimes touching 12 AFR.

80 kPa and above are pegged at 10 AFR so I don't know how rich they are. Don't even think about boost as it floods out and bogs.

Lean idle tip in is still there. Touch the throttle and it goes dead lean. Run at sub-1% TPS and it will hunt between 15.5 afr and full lean. Go to 1%+ TPSand it goes super rich. I would say that this is being caused by something in my car but others have had it.

That said, could it have anything to do with the MAP pulling off of the 0-5v from the TPS? Propero had it but he used my install directions to install the MAP. y8s doesn't have it. Matt, did you pull the MAP from the TPS?

After warm, it wants to idle then goes lean and dies. Restarts do not come easy. You have to help it with the throttle.

I had great hopes for this. The new map runs like my old map except that it is pig rich in cruise and boost. I actually reloaded my old map to get home.

Sorry Travis, but this isn't gonna cut it.

Have you run this map today? I know that you finished it late late this AM.

That's my report.
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Thats the exact same map that I run on my car at home, the only exception is that each year got different aux outs. I'm going to recalibrate my MAP sensor and see if maybe thats whats causing the problems.

My thought is that if you don't calibrate your map sensor THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE. Future adaptronic shipments might get a calibration map direct from me to help out.

On my car with that map every cell south of 100kpa is green. Starts are flawless at any temperature. Excellent power delivery, and AFR's so flat you could deck a head on them. Lean tip in is gone. On your car its completely different <smacks forehead. What I guess I need to do is hand calibrate in myself on an NB and an NBB a map that works perfectly. WIth the cylinder head redesign from the 96 to the 99 and the injector relocation it may just be too different to even try to copy the maps in between.
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I take +5 from the mazda 5V rail.

Stein: please tell me you recalibrated your TPS
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my stock 02 is 7200rpm cut.
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I take +5 from the mazda 5V rail.

Stein: please tell me you recalibrated your TPS
I assume you mean 0%>learn and floored>learn, no, I didn't on the new map. Just checked the files, my old map was 367 0% and 2448 100%. This map was 327 0% and 2226 100% so a little bit different.

That said, it was very similar characteristics to running my previous map. I will try it again tomorrow and recalibrate just to rule it out. It might help the rich a bit, but I'm thinking not on the lean tip in. I played around with mine one day, holding 3%>learn for zero and holding 5%>learn for zero just to see if I could make the lean tip in change. Zero change.

Do you think that pulling power from the TPS could be hosing something up, especially at the bottom end?
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My thought is that if you don't calibrate your map sensor THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE. Future adaptronic shipments might get a calibration map direct from me to help out.

To be honest, I don't recall how we (you and I on the phone) calibrated mine, but it reads right at 106kPa ambient which would be about right for my altitude and barometric pressure.

After a high RPM run, upon full deceleration vacuum it reads 32 kPa FWIW.
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I'm in Sacramento, CA. AFAIK we're at 25ft elevation. Is mine supposed to read 99-100kpa at ambient? That's what it reads.

Also Travis if you correctly calibrate a MAP sensor let us know what the calibrations are or post up the map (if that solves the problem that is) so we can all update. I'm still running the original cal's.
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I assume you mean 0%>learn and floored>learn, no, I didn't on the new map. Just checked the files, my old map was 367 0% and 2448 100%. This map was 327 0% and 2226 100% so a little bit different.

That said, it was very similar characteristics to running my previous map. I will try it again tomorrow and recalibrate just to rule it out. It might help the rich a bit, but I'm thinking not on the lean tip in. I played around with mine one day, holding 3%>learn for zero and holding 5%>learn for zero just to see if I could make the lean tip in change. Zero change.

Do you think that pulling power from the TPS could be hosing something up, especially at the bottom end?
My MAP is tapped into the TPS power per your install instructions with no tip-in issues.

I guess you've tried maxing out the transient throttle TPS and MAP components, setting the asyn values really high (with a low gain), etc... On my car, these settings make a noticable difference on tip-in afr's.
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My MAP is tapped into the TPS power per your install instructions with no tip-in issues.

I guess you've tried maxing out the transient throttle TPS and MAP components, setting the asyn values really high (with a low gain), etc... On my car, these settings make a noticable difference on tip-in afr's.
Can you post your map? I'm more of a "look at the map and compare instead of reading how to change something" kind of guy

I'm having the exact same lean tip in problems as Stein: when cruising you tap the gas and it leans to 16-17 then catches itself.
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My MAP is tapped into the TPS power per your install instructions with no tip-in issues.
Well crap, that ruled out one of my possibilities.

So, Prospero, 18 PSI and I have the lean tip in. Vlad, what you described is exactly what I see.

Also, Vlad has 460's and Prospero and I have D 600's so that kind of rules out the injector thing.

I'm just trying to find a root cause.
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Well crap, that ruled out one of my possibilities.

I'm just trying to find a root cause.
I wouldn't rule it out until you test it from a different 5v source. Our installations aren't identical - could be a difference in wire gauges, cold solder joint, etc. Maybe test the TPS to verify the pot is working smoothly.
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One problem I found right off the bat.

Adaptronic switched map sensors somewhere in the game, and I didn't notice until I got out there and looked at mine.

I did lower as 15kpa and upper as 300Kpa.
For new sensor number one I have 15kpa and 195 ADC Lower and 300Kpa and 2990ADC upper

For new sensor number two I have 15kpa and 194ADC Lower and 300Kpa and 2995ADC upper

For the old sensor I have 15Kpa lower and 361ADC and 300Kpa upper with 3080ADC. <This is the big change I was talking about.

These were all calibrated low at 65cm mercurary of vacuum which is 15.33Kpa absolute. Then for the upper number I changed the ADC until it met my current atmosphere conditions of 101.8Kpa. So I changed it until it was just 102, and knocked it down to 101 with 5-10ADC. So somewhere on the upper end of 101 is where the upper number is calibrated to.

I am going to re-fuel tune the car and hopefully these people who recieve my new maps will be set to go. I'm in no way saying the way I did it is right. I was working with a 4inch harbor freight vacuum gauge. I tried to find something that was certified but they were all 200+dollars. What I'm really working at trying to do is make all the units from now on match. So we're all maybe wrong, but we're all wrong together, which essentially means all of our tunes match. (2 wrongs make a right?? huh?) If anyone wants to send their sensor back to me to calibrate it here against my setup thats no problem, but you will end up retuning more then likely.

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any identification markings on the sensors that would help us use the right calibration?
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Thats actually a bit more of a problem. The only reason I knew they were different is that the vacuum hole was about the half the size of the one I recieved, and there was just a little bit more plastic flash on the edges. Other then that you couldn't tell.

I did notice a labeling difference. The new sensors had the label "0-3 Bar MAP sensor" the old sensors had "3 Bar MAP sensor" I don't know if that change had anything to do with it.
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