looked at your ms thread, what brain told me to do, i also unplugged the fuse.
Originally Posted by MF-Brain
(Post 7346)
you can run pin 37 to the fuel pump relay under the steering column. tap into the lt green wire.
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That's not a method I ever recommend anymore.
There's still no need to pull the fuse unless you have a MSPNP or your MS was built using a high-side driver circuit like the MSPNP. I don't build that and my solution requires the user to jump two pins in the AFM connector. the end. |
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I at least found the fuel pump wire on pin 37. It's gray and it runs to the black wire, not the long white wire as previously thought (I think my long white wire runs to pin 29 which is fans?).
Pink still looks to be wbO2 which is on Pin 23. This goes directly to the db37 connector because the stock ecu doesn't know to expect a wideband o2 signal, right? And then I run my narrowband output from my wideband to the short white wire spliced in my harness I guess. Although I don't see a spot for the oem o2 signal in here: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1361889806 Ok so I opened up my db37 connector and just when I thought I was understanding things I am confused again. I know the position is important, not the color. Since the diagrams for the db37 only have color it is hard to trace them back to my incorrectly colored harness. So I'm looking for 5VREF since the blue TPS wire on pin 22 looks correct, apparently spliced into the harness to accept the signal from the stock TPS. The 5VREF wire on pin 26 which is supposed to be gray is green, and it's labeled F-Idle, and it's spliced into the stock harness (why?) since I don't know what the stock ECU is going to do with a variable TPS signal. Seems like I should just cut that wire too. Maybe this will make more sense when I look at my oem wiring. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1361889806 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1361889806 |
Originally Posted by AlexL
(Post 983253)
I at least found the fuel pump wire on pin 37. It's gray and it runs to the black wire, not the long white wire as previously thought (I think my long white wire runs to pin 29 which is fans?).
Pink still looks to be wbO2 which is on Pin 23. This goes directly to the db37 connector because the stock ecu doesn't know to expect a wideband o2 signal, right? And then I run my narrowband output from my wideband to the short white wire spliced in my harness I guess. Although I don't see a spot for the oem o2 signal in here: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1361889806 So I'm looking for 5VREF since the blue TPS wire on pin 22 looks correct, apparently spliced into the harness to accept the signal from the stock TPS. The 5VREF wire on pin 26 which is supposed to be gray is green, and it's labeled F-Idle, and it's spliced into the stock harness (why?) since I don't know what the stock ECU is going to do with a variable TPS signal. Seems like I should just cut that wire too. Maybe this will make more sense when I look at my oem wiring. The unit doesnt have the idle control wire attached on pin 30 because, again, the unit was built for a piggyback setup and therefore the stock ECU controlled the idle. If you want to run the fuel pump, connect the wire on pin37 to 2O. then jump the two pins in the AFM connector. Please stop referencing old-outdated, bad-practices, charts/info and just ask here. A lot of MSI information out there should be purged in a great big bonfire. Also please stop circle random colored wires and spots on the harness. I need exact positions to help you out. (e.g. Pin37 is unattached, but pin 36 goes to 1H.) |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 983258)
Please stop referencing old-outdated, bad-practices, charts/info and just ask here.
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 983258)
A lot of MSI information out there should be purged in a great big bonfire.
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 983258)
Also please stop circle random colored wires and spots on the harness. I need exact positions to help you out. (e.g. Pin37 is unattached, but pin 36 goes to 1H.)
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I hate building harnesses. yours is fine, you just have some loose ends to fix from 2007. :)
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 983258)
it's possible this unit was prewired for a vTPS (not sure why the green wire). Otherwise the stock TPS is unusable. You need to figure out exactly where the Blue wire and Green wire go on the harness. If the green wire goes to pin 1N, then you must unplug the stock TPS connector until you upgrade to a vTPS, else it will cause a fault and the MS will not connect/run.
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 983258)
If you want to run the fuel pump, connect the wire on pin37 to 2O. then jump the two pins in the AFM connector.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1361896671 Ok I'll take another look tonight |
correct.
yes you'd want to cut the wire back to the stock ECU (are you even going to use the stock ECU?) because that's normally the 5v output from the ECU to power the AFM. do you understand what that means? the wire should go from the MS to the oem wiring, but not be touched by the oem ECU, so the red wire in the harness connecting those should be severed. you'll see this on pins 2U and 2V for example. |
Just planning to use the stock ECU for idle and codes. Ok I'll cut that wire and jump it at the AFM like you said. My brain hurts but this is all starting to make sense.
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My brain always hurts too.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 983312)
do you understand what that means? the wire should go from the MS to the oem wiring, but not be touched by the oem ECU, so the red wire in the harness connecting those should be severed. you'll see this on pins 2U and 2V for example. |
you could remove the majority of them and still keep the ECU from tossing codes, yes.
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Almost done with the harness. One more vampire tap to remove. This finally clicked for me last night.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1361996996 |
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Made some progress despite it being 36 degrees in my garage.
Turbo and downpipe Mounted: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1363707513 Oil pan drilled and tapped: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1363707513 JB Weld: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1363707513 The intercooler bolted here perfectly but of course the bumper won't fit. I think I may move it closer to the radiator and do some duct work. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1363707513 |
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Intercooler is in, piping being routed. Going to get tight around the PS pump.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1364303727 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1364303727 |
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Piping done:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1366122230 The Cluster F that is my wiring right now. Have to trim my boost gauge line so I'm not just shoving it under the dash. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1366122230 My Boost gauge is kind of haphazardly in the eyeball vent, have to get some better fitment. Things left to do: Bleed my clutch, plug in the MS, and clean up some wiring. Then I'll be ready to start the car. |
It's alive!
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Did this on Thursday:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1366375301 Then last night I calibrated my TPS, which of course was wired backwards. Primed the engine with cranking. Flashed the firmware with my ignitor unplugged. Pulled the tune from the MS and started her up! Click for video. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...psc20ab029.jpg I still need to wire in some capacitors for the narrowband output to the stock ECU and the wideband output to the MS but otherwise it seems to be running pretty decent. I'm using an 8 year old PLX M300 because it's simple and combines the controller and gauge into one piece. The car is still on stands but hopefully this weekend I can start tuning. :party: |
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Ok I finally got out to do some tuning today. I set the timing which made the idle nice and smooth and went for a cruise.
At first with the map that was loaded from the previous owner (92Redturbomiata) the car was running great, 14:1 AFRs in cruise, nice and rich in boost (11's right now). I did some auto-tuning, everything is fine. Then I pull over to check my oil lines (the Greddy turbo is still giving me wisps of smoke despite a nice and big and direct return line). When I started the car back up it was running super lean. Like 17's in cruise, 14's in boost. I'm only going to 1-2 psi right now since I'm paranoid. Then the car is barely idling at like 18:1. So I bring the car home, adjust the idle by hand a little, then take the car out for an auto-tune. It immediately starts richening up my whole table because the car was running super lean. Now it's running better but I'm wondering why all of a sudden my whole fuel map is lean. In a bizarre coincidence my check engine light which was on (I thought was for the narrowband o2 signal even though that is hooked up, but I never pulled the code since the ECU is doing almost nothing) is now off. I've attached a log and my tune, which was my first time so I hope I did it right. Maybe my stock fuel pump is giving up or something? Oh well, no harm but I'm just a little concerned, and confused. Thanks for the help! :noob: |
if it was giving you burst of smoke it might have caught some on the o2, might clean it and try again. thats weird that its smoking a bit, i never had a problem from it even with it draining to the passenger side nipple. ill look at the MSQ and Log later to see if i noticed anything.
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It's not smoking a lot. I have a wicked exhaust leak where my cat gasket cracked. If you stare at the downpipe you can just see, and smell, a hint of smoke when it's idling. I swapped the return line twice I was so paranoid but the current line is 3/4" and straight down. If the turbo is smoking at this point, it has to be the turbo seals. I also smell oil burning when I rev the car up and hit just a little boost. I'm running dino oil right now to clean out the shavings from drilling the pan. I plan on dumping the oil soon, so we'll see.
I'm more confused about why my whole fuel map is lean now. Unfortunately I only get to drive the car on the weekends as I don't feel comfortable commuting in traffic with it yet. It's a shame too because when I first took it out it was idling great and boosting nice and safely. |
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