I'll flog it after my clutch setup arrives so I can actually get the power down to the ground!

And yep. I got the car up to 180 to 185 according to my gauge on Tuner Studio and then did the test after about 5 minutes of the car sitting

My Mazdaspeed flywheel came in last night. I chose this flywheel because it was $20 shipped and I wanted to upgrade to the 1.8 size flywheel/clutch kit. I have heard too many testimonials about guys installing lightweights, not being happy with them, and ultimately taking them out.

What are your experiences with lightweight flywheels and for what use?




Will post more pics after it's all shiny and new-looking again!

<p>Lightweight flywheels are the fucking tits.</p><p>Until someone else tries to drive your car. I can't wait till I have a super stiff clutch and a lightweight flywheel.</p>

<p>9lb FW was one of the best&nbsp;mods EVER!!!!</p><p>for any use</p>

<p></p><p>Mine is used on a car, to transfer torque from the engine to the trans, not sure what else you would use one for. Maybe a really shitty boat anchor?</p>

<p>Maybe even a fleshlight if you're a man.</p>

<p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>you know what he meant&nbsp;<img alt="Falcon Punch" src="https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/th_falcon_punch1.gif" style="height:29px; width:50px" title="Falcon Punch" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img alt="Giggle" src="https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/gay.gif" style="height:21px; width:15px" title="Giggle" />&nbsp;stop it</p>

<p>Too bad hustler isn't around anymore, he would tell you all about how he uses it as a butt plug. Something about ribbed for his pleasure.</p>

<p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Where did he go?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Not sure where youve read people not being happy with them and removing tem, maybe CR.net? but yea fuk them</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>There was some talk about the high HP guys who break 6 speeds, runnning stock FW for the damping affect to&nbsp;help save the tranny, but that was just talk.</p>

Hmm. Maybe I will try out a lightened one someday, then. We'll see. For clarification, I meant like daily, track, autox, whatever as far as use goes.

Might end up using it as an anchor. Maybe I'll just throw it off a bridge.

<p>Yeah we knew, still doesn't stop us from making bad jokes.</p><p>The only reason I regret getting mine is that I'm having a hell of a time getting my GF to try auto-x and the lightweight flywheel makes it really hard for her to drive my car.</p>

<p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Aidan knew what you meant. I&nbsp;think he is confusing your thread for his.&nbsp;</p><p>I personally would have one in my daily, they take maybe 2 minutes to get used to and to adjust your clutching habits. They make shifting easier, especiually rev matching. They are full of win.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>My wife learned to drive stick&nbsp;with mine 9lb-er (lol, i like the way that sounds)</p>

This is getting a bit erotic for my taste. You guys do you, though.

I have just heard it from my local Miata guys. I'll let you know how the MSM one feels after I get the clutch installed and broken in. Hopefully it doesn't tear too much....

<p></p><p>Even ----?<br />7.6lbs checking in :)</p><p></p><p>I think he just got out of the miata game. He was before my time.</p><p></p><p>Well my thread isn't actually mine anymore so I have to go somewhere.</p>

Well it looks like I've got two more guys on team Pro-Flywheel now. I probably will try one out sometime when I can find a good deal on one.

Still haven't let my gf drive the car since it's been boosted... Haha maybe this weekend!

<p></p><p>Get used to it. Were tame as far as the erotic goes.</p>

Well I'm new here so still working on the getting used to it part... :noob:

<p></p><p>Says the guy in the salmon shirt with a bowtie ready to walk onto the <a href="https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS590US590&amp;es_sm=122&amp; q=Chippendales&amp;spell=1&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=oK6WVe3 RHoKn-AHBlYGIBA&amp;ved=0CBsQvwUoAA"><strong><em>Chippen dales</em></strong></a> stage</p><p></p><p>i lied 10lbs. yes even</p><p>F1 Racing Lightweight Chromoly Miata Flywheel for Miata 1990-1993</p><p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I guess its a prefernece thing. Try and drive one, and then&nbsp;make the decission.</p>

<p></p><p>Lolololol.&nbsp;<img alt="" src="https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/owned.gif" style="height:15px; width:95px" title="" /></p><p>I got this one used, and love it so far. I think its one of the lightest you can get.</p><p>FIDANZA Lightweight Aluminum Miata Flywheel for Miata 1994-2005</p><p>(8.3), nvm.</p>

<p>Sean are you still running a 1.6 clutch?</p>

Meh, it's more of a orange-dream sicle ;)
And the gf bought it for me so there was obligation there, too...

I will try out a lightweight sometime. Still gonna go with my MSM for now, though

<p>Yes. And I&nbsp;plan on running ZM1-XTSS // Advanced Clutch Technology&nbsp;for the boosts with the F1 FW.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>and really you should be bumpin my thread and leaving steve alone :)</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

<p></p><p>I'm more of a purple kind of guy myself:</p><p><a href="http://imgur.com/QO0q633" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="https://www.miataturbo.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=143512&amp;dateline=14 35938994" /></a></p><p></p><p><img src="http://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.miataturbo.net-vbulletin/1024x768/80-fzrtozl_bd8e84fdd563b5b95cf371c5b69f1a2454962a4c.j pg" title="" /><br /><br />Its friday, and nobody is at work, I'm bored.&nbsp;</p>

<p>Lol, itll work.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I have to admit, 1.6&nbsp;was purchased in error due to ignorance and lack of research.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Ok seriously now, lets not fill his thread up with junk.</p>

<p>Something actually useful to steve:</p><p>The 1.6 flywheels and clutches are smaller and lighter. And are sometimes actually prefered if you can find a pressure plate/clutch combo that matches your power. I didn't know this and went straight to a 1.8 clutch.</p>

Damn. I can't wait to do my brakes this weekend so I can have something on here to be talked about besides men's fashion.

Maybe I'll do some lighting work, too. Hmm

<p>....miataturbo is all about mens fashion. We're all hairdressers.</p>

Good info. Will keep in mind if I ever get to power/torque levels that would make that applicable for my setup

<p>To add to that, about 300lbft (there are some 6 pucks rated at just over 405tq) seems to be the upper limit of 1.6 clutches (sans the excotic multi discs, etc.). So if you dont plan on ever exceeding that, you can find a lighter FW than if you went 1.8. &nbsp;(again not including the muilti discs).</p><p>300 wtq is well into rods and 6 spd territory.</p>

<3 light flywheel, hardly any downside.

I wouldn't mess with a 1.6 FW if you ever plan to build a block as Sean mentions, point of diminishing returns.

Dang. This one is starting to move faster than Aidan's.

Nobody ever posts in my build threads. I'm not feeling the love. Is it because I'm old and ugly?

Serious question though, I know there were a lot of detail differences between MSM parts and regular '04-'05 Miata parts, but I thought the flywheel was the same. ??

But it's from a MAZDASPEED.

It's speshul.

I hate lightweight flywheels
#becausestreetcar #becausedontwanttolooklikearetardwhojustlearnedsti ck

The MSM flywheel was designed and engineered for a forced induction application so yes, it is stronger and more integral than a "normal" 1.8 motor's flywheel.

The 1.8 fw is supposed to be 18-19 pounds and the MSM fw is supposed to be 17-18 pounds. So there is also a chance that it is lighter. I couldn't get a straight answer from Mazda.

+99 :party:

What does this mean?

Nothing on the msm was designed for boost. They just threw random parts together and a turbo.

I was asking Steve.

I meant that it has more integrity to it.. Like it's stronger. I think I was trying to make up words over here...

That'd what Mazda told me when I called, anyway

Whether it is or isnt (i have exactly 0 first hand knowledge or experience with anything MSM) doesn't matter as flywheels arnt known to fail with power. Even stock 1.6 casting can hold up to stupid power. So dont let it be a deciding factor for you.

I was hoping for something like, "there is more clutch integrated into the MSM clutch". lol

false
there a bunch of little things MSM specific even inside the MSM long block which are slightly different design and have different part numbers.

is the overall system not ideal and band-aided together? yes absolutely.
But once you actually do some research on this subject, you'll be surprised at how much crap we tend to regurgitate about the MSM is actually false.

by the way: almost every factory turbo car I've seen thus far has at least a couple really silly things done to it which defy logic and common sense. it's what happens when engineers are overruled by lawyers and bean counters. there are things that come out....just....plain...dumb

Yeah. The deciding factor(s) were that i wanted a 1.8 flywheel and a guy offered me his MSM one for $21 shipped to my house.

Edit: It so sounds cool to say I have an '05 Mazdaspeed part on my '90 turd. :D

Steve, we don't accept CR-level research/posting here. If you're going to say the flywheels are different, then we need a good reference.

I was curious. Here's a link:

2004 Mazda Miata PISTON, CRANKSHAFT & FLYWHEEL

You can clearly see that piston assemblies are different turbo vs. non-turbo (reference number 23-200). But the flywheel assemblies seem to be the same part number for all 2004 Miatas (reference number 11-500). Rosenthal's part listing is the same, flywheels for all 1994-2005 Miatas are under the same part number.

Anyways, my original question stands. One thing I did notice in the parts diagram is that they list 2 different ring gears, one for the Yoshiwa transmission and a different one for the Kanda transmission. Perhaps one of those is the MSM shot-peened unit?

Edit: The Kanda vs. Yoshiwa ring gear distinction appears in the parts manuals for multiple years of Miatas, including years where a MSM didn't exist. So, that does not seem to be a MSM distinction -- although I'm still curious about the different ring gears.

Welp. I was just posting what the representative from Mazda told me... Sorry Mates!

Pro tip #127:
Dont assume the people us mere mortals can contact at a dealership know a fuking thing about anything. It would seem like (and should be) a perfectly reasonable assumption to make, but unless you happened to get a guy on the phone who is a fanatic about the particular chassis in question (like if 18psi worked at a suby dealership, in which case they are probably a forum member anyway), they dont know anything their little box with a keyboard cant tell them.

Always start by looking up the part numbers.

Here's one bit of lighting I did yesterday... 1157 HP24 switchbacks from Diode Dynamics! They basically act as a LED DRL (white) when your parking lights/headlights are on and then also double as a LED turn signal (amber) when your turn signals or hazards are on.


I had to install a pair of resistors in order to prevent the turns from hyperblinking. The entire installation only took all of 15 minutes.

I'll post more of my lighting stuff I did yesterday in a bit

in the dark photo, is all that light coming out of your pop-ups, or out of the little front lights?

Just the little front turn signal lights. Headlights weren't even up. These things are outrageous

Impressive. Look like there's quite a lot of glare, though that could just be the camera.

Yeah it's the camera... I just took a quick shot of them. They look pretty clean and crisp in person. I'll try to get better shots of them sometime.

I also did a headlight retrofit and backup LEDs yesterday, too

Here some shots from my headlight retrofit. I was iffy about it at first but I actually like how they ended up turning out. They pair nicely with my switchbacks. I swapped out my switchbacks to a different color temperature so that they would coordinate a bit better (Went from 4000K to 5200K).



Overall, very pleased with the improved look and functionality of this setup. The parking lights acting as DRLs and my new headlights greatly increase visibility at night. The nice and modern look is sweet, too! :rofl:

<p>Mother of god those are bright. Brb ordering.</p><p>edit: 60 bux, fuk dat. I like em though.</p>

Thanks! I will post pictures of the amber turn signals when I get the chance. LEDs respond a lot faster than halogen bulbs so it just makes the car feel a lot newer. Might be ordering some more LEDs in the future so I'll probably post more lighting pics soon enough.

I got my resurfaced flywheel back yesterday and FM got their clutch kit to me yesterday as well so it looks like I'll be doing my clutch install soon. :giggle: Hopefully I can get it all installed, adjusted, and broken in by the weekend.

Clutch adjusted?

This is typically the time you discover your clutch hydraulics are weak. Plan on a clutch master and slave if they're not recent. They're cheap. Rebuilds from the Zone work just fine. Also, the pilot bearing is almost always crunchy and should be replaced -- you probably already popped it out when you got your flywheel resurfaced.

I meant the clutch pedal adjusted. FM sent instructions on how to adjust it after installation in order to maintain a close to stock pedal pressure/feel.

I was thinking about those last night. Might pick up some new ones or rebuilds. How important would you say a stainless steel clutch line is? I got new pilot and throwout bearings ready to go in when I do the install, thanks!

949 hok. Buy it.

^ Seems like a fair enough price. Anyone else have insight on this?

Only if its the extended version that does away with the hard line

Or the TCM which i like more as it has the angle at one end.

Worth every penny just for cleanliness and to get rid if the stupid hard line alone.

https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...6/#post1241068
(scroll to the bottom of that post for installed pics)

The 949 kit comes with the a SS slave cylinder line. Doesn't include the hard line from the master cylinder to the slave cylinder. I like cleanliness so I'll be looking into this more later today.

Would it be easier to replace all of this at once along with my clutch install or would it be easy enough to do this HOK install after the clutch is already installed and everything?

Pretty sure it does include that. But in fancy orange, might match your shirt.