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mighty mouse 10-11-2009 11:30 PM

this weekend made some backward progress:

yanked the tranny back out, cleaned it up and painted it.
yanked the motor back out :facepalm:
took off all the crap in the way of the oil pump and installed a set of billet oil pump gears. 8500 rpm better be worth it! Planning to have the motor back in the car by next weekend.

mighty mouse 10-12-2009 06:42 PM

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I was in the zone, so I forgot to take pics. Here are a couple:

I scored a low mileage TII tranny, so since I was pulling it anyways, I decided to go ahead and swap it in and use my current one for a spare. I swapped bellhousings between transmissions because I had to modify it so much to fit with the adapter plate
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cleaned, and painted:
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and the reason why I ripped everything out of the car- new billet oil pump gears to go in (stock ones are on the white pad):
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mighty mouse 10-19-2009 10:59 AM

got the motor back together and in the car, I'll post up the pictures later.

mighty mouse 10-21-2009 09:52 PM

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Got tired of gathering friends and dead-lifting the motor in and out, so I picked up a new 2 ton engine hoist. Great decision.

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Loaded the motor up on it and started putting it all back together:
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I finally broke down and stripped and painted the water and crank pulleys too. I used that hand hammered paint
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tidied up the injector wiring and fuel lines
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motor back together and ready to go in!
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and back in the car:
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I had some questions too...

what does this hardline go to (I think this was for the charcoal canister), and what does the hose connected to the subframe go to? Can they be looped together??
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curly 10-21-2009 09:55 PM

Yes they can be looped, It's what most people do when deleting the charcoal canister. The sub-frame hose just dumps to atmosphere behind the sub-frame, uh, frame.

mighty mouse 10-22-2009 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 471605)
Yes they can be looped, It's what most people do when deleting the charcoal canister. The sub-frame hose just dumps to atmosphere behind the sub-frame, uh, frame.

Nice that's kind of what I thought it was...a vent, but wanted to be sure.

seraph 10-23-2009 12:53 PM

This is great! awesome work but why not do a nice v-mount while you got everything out of the way?

mighty mouse 10-25-2009 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by seraph (Post 472467)
This is great! awesome work but why not do a nice v-mount while you got everything out of the way?

I'm tired of fab work! I just want to drive it at this point.

This weekends work...

transmission is back in the car, hopefully for the last time now! I also topped off the fluid in the shifter turret and installed my shortshifter:

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cleaned up the wires, put in the rubber boot and bolted down the center console:

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bolted in the new driveshaft:

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Then I plugged the wiring harness back into all the engine crap, finished up a few loose ends with the harness, and installed the front fenders, front bumper, and also the rear bumper.

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It's finally starting to look like a car! I know I'm getting close because my hardware stash is getting less and less.

mighty mouse 10-25-2009 06:50 PM

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couple more wiring questions:

what do these 3 connectors go to? I'm hoping they are AC or emissions crap that way I don't have to worry about them. They come out of the harness that the CAS is in.

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curly 10-25-2009 07:02 PM

Kudos to all the work you're getting done, I would never be able to work around that filth. What's the plan for the interior and exterior. Paint? Color? Carpet? Seats?

mighty mouse 10-26-2009 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 473387)
Kudos to all the work you're getting done, I would never be able to work around that filth. What's the plan for the interior and exterior. Paint? Color? Carpet? Seats?

What filth?

interior is painted black (not planning on using a carpet), exterior will be painted audi tt dolomite grey, seats are in the car already.

Gryff 10-26-2009 10:28 AM

I'm pretty sure that the middle connector is for your single wire o2. Mine was yellow on the inside if that helps any.

greenday3437 10-26-2009 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by mighty mouse (Post 473383)
couple more wiring questions:

what do these 3 connectors go to? I'm hoping they are AC or emissions crap that way I don't have to worry about them. They come out of the harness that the CAS is in.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f330/rigsx/364.jpg

Pretty sure one is for your NB o2, as someone already stated, another looks to be for your temp sensor (the spade connector one on the back of the head)

mighty mouse 10-26-2009 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by greenday3437 (Post 473715)
Pretty sure one is for your NB o2, as someone already stated, another looks to be for your temp sensor (the spade connector one on the back of the head)

ah o2 sensor, right that's one of them, and the temp sensor I prob forgot to connect too, I'll check that out. Thanks!

curly 10-26-2009 02:48 PM

I think the third one connects to the master cylinder resivoir, to a sensor that tells you when you're low on fluid. Actually it just turns on the ebrake light, but you get the point.

mighty mouse 10-26-2009 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 473842)
I think the third one connects to the master cylinder resivoir, to a sensor that tells you when you're low on fluid. Actually it just turns on the ebrake light, but you get the point.

no I have that one connected, and these are all on the passenger side of the car.

Toddcod 10-26-2009 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by mighty mouse (Post 473383)
couple more wiring questions:

what do these 3 connectors go to? I'm hoping they are AC or emissions crap that way I don't have to worry about them. They come out of the harness that the CAS is in.

Whew, that looks like a lot of work to put the tranny in.

Good luck on progress.

SKMetalworks 10-26-2009 08:29 PM

dope.

mighty mouse 10-26-2009 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by Toddcod (Post 474066)
Whew, that looks like a lot of work to put the tranny in.

Good luck on progress.

it's really not that bad. I may just be getting used to it...heh

motomech2 10-29-2009 03:14 AM

just wondering how long have you been working on this build and what is your eta on finished?

miataspeed2005 10-29-2009 07:36 AM

I'm kinda disapointed on this build lately. I stated awesome and lately it just looks like you've been rushing to finish it. I hope you don't make the same mistake I did, I rushed mine And now I'm going back and fixing all the cut corners.

p51hellfire 10-29-2009 09:25 AM

far connector on right could very well be the oil pressure sensor wire

mighty mouse 10-30-2009 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by motomech2 (Post 475231)
just wondering how long have you been working on this build and what is your eta on finished?

going on 2.5 years, hoping to have it started sometime this winter.


Originally Posted by miataspeed2005 (Post 475256)
I'm kinda disapointed on this build lately. I stated awesome and lately it just looks like you've been rushing to finish it. I hope you don't make the same mistake I did, I rushed mine And now I'm going back and fixing all the cut corners.

What exactly looks rushed? If you're referring to the wire tuck, I'm not going to splice into the main wires for the engine until i've verified that it can be started/run, so that will be done after the car is running at some point. I don't see why you think I'm rushing anything...



Originally Posted by p51hellfire (Post 475282)
far connector on right could very well be the oil pressure sensor wire

Nah I already have that hooked up, thanks though!

mighty mouse 11-14-2009 05:38 PM

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did a little bit today, spent more time running around than actually working on the car.

Installed my beatrush untertray. I had to get creative as from my understanding, these are supposed to be installed with out the r-package lip. Here's what I did. I got some 1/4" threaded rod, cut to fit, and sandwiched the undertray with bolts and washers, as well as the original mounting spot on the bumper. For the rear mounting, it wants you to use the space in the lower control arm bracket that my underbrace bolts to. The tray and the racing beat brace overlapped, so I just bolted the brace over the tray to hold it down in place.

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Now it sits level with the bottom of the lip, and the brake duct holes can still be used

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Most likely going to pack the car up tomorrow and get it ready to take to the exhaust shop hopefully this week, but we'll see.

mighty mouse 11-30-2009 10:52 AM

installed all the new gauges, and also put in a 13 hour day with 3 of my good buddies to finish all the bodywork, and we got a coat of laquer primer on the car, and installed the rear flares. I will be calling my painter in a little bit, and if all goes well, it's off to paint friday! Pics to follow....

psiturbo 12-02-2009 07:02 AM

Many of the parts you have painted look as if they still have pounds of rust in them, and also many areas on the car chassis, engine, fenders etc. Just because you spray like crazy and coat it with paint does not mean the rust will go away.

I went through your thread and can spot many rusted parts, you have cut a lot of corners on NOT sandblasting suspension, engine parts. The last you did, I think it was the water pump pulley, looks horrible, if I recall well the alternator looks nasty.

We dont have to tell you, that car is a rust bucket, I would have chosen a much cleaner platform for such a project.

So some parts of your project look awesome but then you kill it with a spray can.

Welding A+

Painter F-

You asked!

mighty mouse 12-02-2009 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by psiturbo (Post 489581)
Many of the parts you have painted look as if they still have pounds of rust in them, and also many areas on the car chassis, engine, fenders etc. Just because you spray like crazy and coat it with paint does not mean the rust will go away.

I went through your thread and can spot many rusted parts, you have cut a lot of corners on NOT sandblasting suspension, engine parts. The last you did, I think it was the water pump pulley, looks horrible, if I recall well the alternator looks nasty.

We dont have to tell you, that car is a rust bucket, I would have chosen a much cleaner platform for such a project.

So some parts of your project look awesome but then you kill it with a spray can.

Welding A+

Painter F-

You asked!


It is what it is I guess. I'm doing the best I can with the materials/tools I have available. I wirewheeled the crap out of everything I've painted, hit it with metal primer, and then 2 coats of paint. If the rust comes back, it comes back and I'll deal with it then. The water and crank pullies I used that hand-hammered paint, which is why they look the way they do. I'm well aware that this isn't a show car, but hey that's not why I'm building it. I appreciate the feedback regardless.

mighty mouse 12-03-2009 11:35 PM

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teaser pic:
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This was after all the bodywork/primer was finished. I measured the ride height, and it's currently at 11.25" from hub center to fender. Def have to raise it up some, I can't even get a screwdriver in between the tire and the fender. I'm also going to trim the lip on the flares for some more clearance too. That's me standing next to it.

Turbo_4 12-04-2009 01:09 AM

Yeah, I'm also definitely using your car as inspiration for a future wire tuck. One day I'll get around to it!

mighty mouse 12-04-2009 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo_4 (Post 490697)
Yeah, I'm also definitely using your car as inspiration for a future wire tuck. One day I'll get around to it!

there's plenty of better examples than mine, I didn't do any of the major wires as I want to start the car first. Once I know it starts and runs then I'll do it all completely.

mighty mouse 12-05-2009 10:45 PM

bled the brakes and the clutch today, however I believe the slave is bad as the system doesn't seem to be building pressure. I bled all the air out of the lines. It sat for about a year w/o any fluid in the system.

psiturbo 02-04-2010 01:36 PM

Any updates Mighty Mouse?

KPLAFIN 02-25-2010 03:15 PM

I need my fix on this build, where are you MM?

m2cupcar 02-25-2010 03:33 PM

I heard he sold it and bought a smartcar, or maybe it was prius.

KPLAFIN 02-25-2010 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 528665)
I heard he sold it and bought a smartcar, or maybe it was prius.

I seriously hope you're joking. If not imma have to go kill someone. :vash:

mighty mouse 03-01-2010 11:36 PM

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It hasn't been sold, don't worry. I've been traveling a lot with work lately, and been doing projects around the house, so it's been on the backburner.


Question though- what does this do? I know it hooks back into the intake piping, but I'm wondering if it's necessary and if I can get rid of it? I'll be running megasquirt pnp for those who don't feel like reading all the old stuff.

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Been trying to set up an appointment with the exhaust shop, his and my schedule's haven't aligned just yet, hopefully it will get there soon.

stranges12712 03-01-2010 11:42 PM

IAC valve aka Idle Air Control valve, some people say with megasquirt you can run a filter on it instead of routing it to the intake piping but i play the safe way and just routed it to the intake piping.

mighty mouse 03-02-2010 12:43 AM


Originally Posted by stranges12712 (Post 531016)
IAC valve aka Idle Air Control valve, some people say with megasquirt you can run a filter on it instead of routing it to the intake piping but i play the safe way and just routed it to the intake piping.


That's what I thought it was, just wanted to confirm my guess.

jtothawhat 03-02-2010 02:09 AM

I have a filter on mine, I run a AEM EMS never has given me problems.

shlammed 03-02-2010 10:40 AM

Seriously? i would have anticipated it to leak boost in the upper rpms. So it completely closes when its not being used?

stranges12712 03-02-2010 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by shlammed (Post 531217)
Seriously? i would have anticipated it to leak boost in the upper rpms. So it completely closes when its not being used?

Like i said some people say it does some people say it doesnt. If you want to play it safe route it to your intercooler piping, less headaches later on.

Faeflora 03-02-2010 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by stranges12712 (Post 531016)
IAC valve aka Idle Air Control valve, some people say with megasquirt you can run a filter on it instead of routing it to the intake piping but i play the safe way and just routed it to the intake piping.

Is this unique to the 1.6? I didn't see that pipe on my 1.8.

mighty mouse 03-02-2010 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by stranges12712 (Post 531544)
Like i said some people say it does some people say it doesnt. If you want to play it safe route it to your intercooler piping, less headaches later on.

Yeah I will most likely be routing it back in, I have a feeling I'm going to have a lot of other bugs to work out

stranges12712 03-02-2010 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by faeflora (Post 531607)
Is this unique to the 1.6? I didn't see that pipe on my 1.8.

Ah i have no idea, never seen a 1.8L in person, mines a 1.6 neighbours is a 1.6 and neighbours best friend is a 1.6 lol and im the only dam person in this city that has a turbo miata...next closest is probably one of the guys from toronto.

mighty mouse 03-08-2010 02:01 PM

slight update- miata is off to the exhaust shop tomorrow for 8am, I'm going to load it up tonight. Should have it back in the garage thursday if all goes well

KPLAFIN 03-08-2010 02:03 PM

So what's the latest ETA for completion?

mighty mouse 03-09-2010 11:06 AM

Once it's back from exhaust I should have everything I need to get it running. I still have to figure out my clutch issue, it's not building enough pressure it seems (the pedal has very little resistance), throw the rest of the parts at it I've been stockpiling, and hope for the best. I'm trying to get it running for the good weather

mighty mouse 03-11-2010 03:46 PM

Just got off the phone with the exhaust shop, the downpipe is complete, he'll be moving on to the rest of the exhaust tomorrow.

Cspence 03-11-2010 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by mighty mouse (Post 536686)
Just got off the phone with the exhaust shop, the downpipe is complete, he'll be moving on to the rest of the exhaust tomorrow.

You should be the exhaust shop ;)

mighty mouse 03-11-2010 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Cspence (Post 536764)
You should be the exhaust shop ;)

ha! I have no way to mandrel bend pipe, nor do I want to weld a million different pieces together. Better to let the professionals take care of this one.

timk 03-12-2010 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by stranges12712 (Post 531733)
Ah i have no idea, never seen a 1.8L in person, mines a 1.6 neighbours is a 1.6 and neighbours best friend is a 1.6 lol and im the only dam person in this city that has a turbo miata...next closest is probably one of the guys from toronto.

My 99 has it; I've put a one-way valve and a filter on it.

mighty mouse 03-15-2010 02:26 PM

Exhaust is now complete ! I'm having him do my intercooler piping as well. I should be picking the car up at the end of the week.

mighty mouse 03-16-2010 10:27 PM

Scooping the car up tomorrow, can't wait!

mighty mouse 03-17-2010 08:36 PM

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I broke my camera, so I'll have to use crappy iphone pics :(.

Turbo to downpipe flange ETD racing recommended putting the EGT probe here on the downpipe vs on the manifold itself as they've had problems with them cracking in the past. The temperature difference between the 2 locations should be negligible:
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routed the wastegate dumptube back into the exhaust:
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I would have liked a shallower "entry" but space was very limited. The downpipe is 2.5" (couldn't get 3" to clear the TII bellhousing), then it expands to 3" all the way back, all 409 stainless steel. There are very minimal bends, and it's tucked up fairly high for ground clearance. This thing is going to sound mean!
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Slight bend at the rear for a left exit:
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mighty mouse 03-17-2010 08:37 PM

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couple more of the exhaust with it still on the trailer:
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I also had him make my intercooler pipes out of 2.5" mild steel. I'm going to go back and fab up the BOV flange (didn't like how my last one turned out) as well as the IAT bung and the IAC tube.

Hotside:
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Coldside:
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mighty mouse 03-17-2010 08:37 PM

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2 more of the engine bay: I stood on top of the truck to take the first shot.
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It's coming down to the final stretch!

TurboTim 03-17-2010 08:52 PM

No room for a radiator fan on the right side eh? Or is that a optical illusion?

Also, I don't know what the delta_T across a turbine is, but I doubt it fit my definition of negligible. But better that then a cracked mani I guess.

thesnowboarder 03-17-2010 09:56 PM

Doesnt look like there will be enough space for a second (stock) fan. Some spal low pro fans will probably be fine.

Iphone pictures aren't very bad at all, 3GS? my 3Gs pix are not very good at all.

m2cupcar 03-18-2010 08:49 AM

There's room for a fan if the IC pipe is going behind the sway. Curious to see the bellhousing clearance - or lack of you mention for the down the pipe. I've never heard that being an issue with other TII installs.

mighty mouse 03-18-2010 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 540046)
No room for a radiator fan on the right side eh? Or is that a optical illusion?

Also, I don't know what the delta_T across a turbine is, but I doubt it fit my definition of negligible. But better that then a cracked mani I guess.

There's enough room for a fan. I have a thin 12" spal one already, just haven't got around to building a shroud/mounting system for it. If I need more cooling believe it or not there is room on the pass side for a smaller fan. I'm hoping this will do OK, but there's only 1 way to find out. As for the probe, I thought the same thing, but they said this is what they've been doing on their racecars for years. Again, only 1 way to find out I guess.



Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 540275)
There's room for a fan if the IC pipe is going behind the sway. Curious to see the bellhousing clearance - or lack of you mention for the down the pipe. I've never heard that being an issue with other TII installs.

When I get the car up I'll take some better pictures of the clearance. The clearance issue for 3" downpipe vs 2.5" also arises from the ETD manifold- it left the turbo and wastegate in an awkward position. The smaller pipe allowed for a more direct path. It expands to 3" right after the bellhousing; the 2.5" section is very short.


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