Kraken Low Mount 6258 NA8 Build
Hi everyone,
I've been thinking about making a build thread for a while now to track my own progress and since I'm just about done with everything I might as well start now. My original goal was to just have a turbo Miata, maybe around 250hp. Goals change. As the build went on I kept hearing stories from friends and from reading forum posts to just do it right the first time. So my budget pretty much went out the window and now I am targeting around 350hp for mostly street use. May do some more autocross once it is all complete and definitely would like to get out for some track days at some point. This is my first real build that I have been able to afford. I am in no way an expert and I've almost surely done something someone would say is wrong 2023 edit - plans changed were gonna run allofit 2023-2024 winter - rebuilt head and bottom end. New rings and bearings Now onto the interesting parts Current Parts List: Motor - Built 97 short block Eagle forged H-beam rods Supertech forged pistons, 83.5mm bore, 8.8:1 Wiseco rings ARP Head/Mains ACL Race bearings .25mm Boundary oil pump w/ 1 shim - replaced front crank seal with OEM - ~60psi at WOT Gates water pump OEM head gasket Fluidamper crank damper w/ OEM trigger wheel Injector Dynamics 1050x injectors - Cleaned/inspected 02/2023 FlowForce LS Coils DW300 Fuel Pump FuelLab Mini FPR Radium Fuel Rail Baffled Oil Pan Turbo Borg Warner EFR6258 T25 0.64 A/R Turbosmart Internal dual port wastegate MAC 4-port Solenoid Kraken low mount manifold - Cerakoted Kraken 3" exhaust w/ Kraken muffler - Cerakoted downpipe Fab9 Stage 1 intercooler, modified FM 2" hot side lines and 2.5" cold side Head - BP4W Supermiata valve seals +1 Stainless Intake and +1 Inconel Exhaust Valves Casting flashed removed SuperMiata coolant reroute OEM cams and SOB ARP intake/exhaust studs Suspension/Handling BC BR Series Coilovers - XIDAs incoming (22k/11k) NA de-powered steering rack FM frame rails Energy Suspension Bushings with SuperMiata 863 Bronze Bushing Kit SuperMiata Afco F88 kit, Stock rears, Wilwood proportioning valve, 3" ducting to Singular Brake ducts Nine Lives Racing 64" wing, 3" front splitter and air dam Eibach front/rear sway bars SuperMiata competition poly motor mounts 15x10 konig dekagrams Singular Hood Vents + meh ducting Transmission/Diff 3.63 OSGiken, welded diff carrier, poly bushings Walter Motorsports Stage 3 NB 5 speed SuperMiata Sport Clutch OEM Flywheel ECU/Sensors Home-built MS3x w/ knock module AEM 30-0300 Wideband Autometer mechanical boost gauge Continental Flex Fuel Sensor - ACDelco 13577394 AEM fuel pressure, oil pressure sensor GM oil temperature sensor Ghetto repurposed MAP sensor for crankcase pressure monitoring Safety/Misc OEM hardtop Hard dog roll bar Sparco QRT-Rs w/ Sparco 6 point harnesses NRG quick release and generic NRG steering wheel 8" aliexpress tablet for digital dash/monitoring LRB aluminum door cards w/ black faux leather --------------------------------------- Old/Retired Parts Toyota COPs DW200 (255lph) fuel pump Competition Clutch Lightweight Flywheel Competition Clutch Stage 3 Ceramic Clutch Kit :facepalm: RIP, sorry for putting trans fluid on you 4.1 Torsen Type I Diff - Saving this for when the Fuji starts spitting out clutch material. Honestly always thought it was open, but decided to pop open the half-shafts. To my surprise it was a Torsen :bigtu: FM butterfly brace - currently disconnected cause its a pain in the ass to get around OEM MazdaSpeed competition motor mounts and tie rod ends Wilwood 11" front brake kit, any soft lines in car replaced with stainless Front/Rear ARP wheel studs Advanti Storm 15x9 Enkei RPF1s 15x8 w/ Hankook RS4s 225/45/15 Clutch Masters FX350 Clutch Masters Aluminum Lightweight Flywheel 3.6 Tochigi-Fuji Diff with MazdaSpeed comp bushings I'll get some pics up once I am off work and have a chance to upload them all Broken Transmission Counter (4) 5spd - Synchro's weren't liking the hard pulls 6 speed - broke at Dominion Raceway ~400hp/350tq (June 2023) 6 speed - broke at Summit Point - Shenandoah ~330hp/300tq (Sept 2023) 6 speed - broke on street pull (Nov. 2023) Old Head - Rebuilt 97 New OEM valve seals Replaced any bad valves and guides SuperMiata coolant reroute OEM cams and hydraulic lifters ARP intake/exhaust studs |
Here is the car after its very first wash soon after I got it.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1a41ea7669.jpg and how it looks today https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...eda18d8fa1.jpg Update - 05/2024, I've ruined it https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...88723c8134.jpg Original motor before rebuilld https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...810ed0b692.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...da07cf2ca2.jpg and some carnage pics of why it was forcefully retired https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b3b3fa6d43.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1f817c0039.jpg Can you tell which rod didn't like added boost? https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...fb4ff8ba08.jpg Much better. Block and head took around 8 months at the machine shop. It was hard to keep motivation going with the build just waiting. I was also waiting on the Kraken kit at this time which took 3-4 months itself. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4fe396e5b7.jpg Cleaned up the head as well as had them check for warping/cracks. Valve seals were all replaced with OEM along with any other parts that needed attention https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d1e5a55ebb.jpg First step with the new block was to clean the block threads and install ARP head studs https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...20e33d44ab.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...15a076fd8f.jpg Didn't feel good about the original intake/exhaust studs so I picked up some ARP studs from @psyber_0ptix . Thanks again man! https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...fb81148bf7.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9730ca4b7e.jpg Had to mock up the turbo to see how it was going to look and keep up with the ever growing list of things I needed to get done https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5930103181.jpg Had the same issue as many others with low mount setups. I ended up just cutting off the 90 degree elbow and using the molded line that Kraken supplied in his kit. Tight fit but works perfect https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a3e473e831.jpg Decided to spend some time painting the valve cover for cool points. Looks amazing, but I should have used a better flat coat. It gets ruined in the oil/grease under the hood very quickly https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...93c0f933ab.jpg Mocked up the intercooler lines after installing quite a bit of parts onto the block https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...83ae09ae6d.jpg Picked up a de-powered steering rack from MiataSource. Well worth it. No experience as a welder and couldn't be bothered to try doing it myself https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bf9b515cc1.jpg |
Last owner painted the exterior of the car, but not the bay. I couldn't stand the red and decided to bite the bullet and remove everything to prep it for paint. Mind you, I have zero experience painting with anything other than a rattle can. Decided to build the most ghetto paint booth and give it a go. This was in late winter so I really had to try and time things right so that I wasn't trying to paint in 40 degree VA weather
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0691da802b.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6ceaa30ce0.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...db7e82e382.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...841e390397.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...59c8569bb9.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0f23c3d5fa.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...054d672047.jpg It came out MUCH better than I could have expected. It is very far from perfect though. Either way, I'm glad I tried |
Motor basically done at this point. Just need to get it up in the air off of the stand to install the clutch and flywheel
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...0233bd15aa.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5a1f349616.jpg The motor right before going in. Thankfully I had a buddy to help me and all I needed to do was get him chick fil a https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6383a75495.jpg She is in! Only took a few hours. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...a56eba5876.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b6263f6280.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d0a6170de8.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5303d4a11b.jpg First start went way better than expected. Made sure to prime the oil pump and have enough gas in the car to keep it going for a bit. No leaks whatsoever. Until I started driving it. At the first stop sign I got out to check and saw oil on the bottom of the front of the pan. Boundary front crank seal. Even though I read all the threads and knew of this issue, I overlooked it. Easy fix and the car was ready to drive after a few hours of easy work. You can see the comparison of the two seals. Top is an OEM we busted and bottom was the one that came with the Boundary. Very different looking seals. Pump was purchased mid-May of 2020 from Fab9. If you have a Boundary pump in your build, I'd just recommend swapping it out with OEM regardless. OEM was $5.88 from PriorityMazda. Cheap insurance to not have to basically do a timing belt job https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b88b1fb8f9.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7dafcb1b90.jpg |
And now you're caught up.
At this point things left to do are: Knock sensor and EBC wiring terminations Clean up some non-critical parts and get them installed (things like front roll bar and most interior pieces) Continue working with @18psi to get the tune dialed in |
Looks good, good recipe, right the first time isn't... normal.
Nothing against 18psi, but learn how to tune. First of all you become independent. Second of all you can make changes and evaluate the results quickly, and revert if things don't work out. 3rd, you learn way more about ICE by learning how to tune. I personally now enjoy tuning more than fabbing and wrenching, which I also enjoy quite a bit. |
Thanks for the points.
I learned how to do a lot of megasquirt stuff on the original motor and ran with it for about 10 months before parking the car and using its parts for this motor. Went through all of the normal woes with thinking you've got something right and then realizing you need to do more reading. I ended up with a pretty stable naturally aspirated tune, but tip in was never perfect. That being said, this is the first turbo setup I've thought of tuning myself and after such a large investment I'm scared to break something. I know my way around tuner studio, but I'm unsure of the things I don't know. |
great thread. that booth is fantastic. id cack if i was your neighbour and i saw you in it!
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Looks great, will be following! Looks pretty similar to my build, youre going to love it!! (just trying to keep your motivation up)
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many cats for the street paint booth. that's great.
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Originally Posted by shirtz
(Post 1598367)
great thread. that booth is fantastic. id cack if i was your neighbour and i saw you in it!
Originally Posted by Dr.Sep
(Post 1598383)
Looks great, will be following! Looks pretty similar to my build, youre going to love it!! (just trying to keep your motivation up)
Originally Posted by Padlock
(Post 1598401)
many cats for the street paint booth. that's great.
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
(Post 1598357)
Looks good, good recipe, right the first time isn't... normal.
Nothing against 18psi, but learn how to tune. First of all you become independent. Second of all you can make changes and evaluate the results quickly, and revert if things don't work out. 3rd, you learn way more about ICE by learning how to tune. I personally now enjoy tuning more than fabbing and wrenching, which I also enjoy quite a bit. |
No big updates, but got the front sway back installed and it made a big difference in steering feel with the depowered rack.
Also got the wiring terminations done for the EBC and knock sensor. I had originally ran shielded belden cable for the EBC as I did for wideband and knock, but then realized that the trubokitty guide pulls the boost signal off the original MAF. That seemed easier than cutting wires off the breakout board I made and I figured it doesn't need the protection. I still need to install the sensor side of the knock. I've heard a lot of conflicting info on whether it will be helpful or not, but I already bought it so I might as well find out for myself. Also got some of the interior panels reinstalled. Need to find a block off plate or a radio that actually works to cover the big hole. If anyone is trying to get rid of an old shift knob WITH the rod that goes into the trans turret I'm interested. The previous owner glued the two things together. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d31619feb3.jpg |
Started getting a high pitched metallic sound on the front of the motor. I'm thinking it is an alternator bearing going as it is the only thing that is old on the front of the motor. Voltages in logs seem a little lower than before the noise started, but that could be coincidence. Going to try getting a reman alternator and see if it fixes it.
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Hm. Replaced the alternator and still getting the sound. It's not the rad fan either. I'm wondering if it has always been there and I'm just now noticing it. I'm thinking maybe the water pump but that is brand new too
Can anyone give this short video a listen and tell me if they can point out what may be causing the high pitched metallic sound? https://imgur.com/8RrHRqw |
Stupid. https://imgur.com/a/UNNIzDd
Cover bolt came loose and was hitting inside of water pump pulley. Easy fix and I can stop worrying that I somehow damaged my motor.. |
Thanks again Vlad for the base tune!
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3ece9c25f1.jpg Car was running well for the last month and a half or so, but the 5spd was making some clunks and clangs on harder pulls. Starting making a horrendous noise around July 4th weekend http://imgur.com/a/00APz6o Going to pull the trans and inspect |
:likecat:
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Pulled the motor, found the issue. Looks like when I replaced 5spd transmission seals I didn't seat the metal ring correctly. This caused a leak and ultimately looks like it's ruined the clutch. Flywheel and pressure plate would need to be turned too if I'm going to reuse them.
It did feel like it was slipping in 1st, but I thought it may have been wheelspin. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...540e8eef2b.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4eb24f430c.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4567543332.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...587f62014f.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...77718ab37c.jpg |
Cool build, all your details are great to look at.
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