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Laur3ns 06-04-2013 10:01 AM

Laur3ns going AbsurdFlow
 
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So, revamp - the BEGI stuff is out and sold (that parts that were still good at least). I bought the AbsurdFlow kit from a member here.

To recap, the car, engine, etc:

Original car: 1994 Mazda MX-5 1.8 E2 (Germany)

Race prep:
  • Full cage, welded, CrMo
  • FM Frame Rails
  • 1999 NB8C 1.8 longblock, 55k miles
  • M-Tuned Connecting Rods
  • JE Pistons 84.0mm 9.0:1
  • ARP Head and Main Studs
  • Maruha Racing Oil Pan Baffle
  • ACL Race bearings
  • ATI Damper pulley kit
  • Ishihara-Johnson Teflon Crank Scraper
  • Gates Racing Timing Belt 90-05 Miata
  • Boundary Engineering Chromoly Racer Oil Pump Assembly, 1 shim
  • 1999 1.8 intake manifold w/VICS
  • Port matching
  • IL adjustable cam gears
  • Supertech Inconel I+E valves + 3-angle valve job
  • New OEM valve retainers
  • Hondata Miata Intake Manifold Heatshield gasket
  • Injector Dynamics ID1000 Fuel Injectors
  • TSE COP kit w/Toyota Coils
  • Oil Catch can, hot side only
  • Enthuza full 3” exhaust, turndown
  • DTAfast S60PRO ECU, 36-1, Full Sequential Fuel/Ignition, EBC
  • BEGI Intercooler #3
  • Setrab oil cooler
  • IL Oil filter relocation kit, Mazda filter
  • K&N Oval air filter
  • TSE Triple-Pass Dual-Core Race Radiator
  • Full intercooler, oil cooler and radiator ducting
  • Custom coolant reroute, no heater circuit, no thermostat
  • 949Racing 7.25” Twin Disc Ceramic Race Clutch
  • 2000 5-speed w/Quaife gearset
  • OEM Torsen differential, 4.1 R&P
  • Custom front splitter
  • APR GTC-200 wing Miata spec, high mounts
  • OEM Hard Top
  • Sabelt 6-point harness
  • Sparco Pro ADV seat


The new toys:
  • Garret GT2860RS .86 A/R
  • AbsurdFlow v-band manifold and 3" downpipe
  • TiAL MV-S wastegate and BOV


Still awaiting delivery of:
  • 11.75" Wilwood MINI Radial Front BBK
  • M-Tuned Rear BBK w/Sport rotors
  • AST Suspension

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370354481

shuiend 06-04-2013 10:23 AM

I am glad that Hustler's Absurdflow setup is going to someone who will use it. Make sure you let TurboTim know that you bought it from Hustler. I believe he keeps an updated list of who all has the setup's he has made.

viperormiata 06-04-2013 10:51 AM

in4win

Oscar 06-04-2013 10:53 AM

Cute car.

hustler 06-04-2013 12:20 PM

It's still in a green car at least.

TurboTim 06-04-2013 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1018112)
I am glad that Hustler's Absurdflow setup is going to someone who will use it. Make sure you let TurboTim know that you bought it from Hustler. I believe he keeps an updated list of who all has the setup's he has made.

GOT IT! Awesome.

evank 06-04-2013 12:35 PM

Spookyfish you will be very happy. TT's work is tops.

TurboTim 06-04-2013 12:36 PM

Thanks Evan, but remember, Hustler's sticky fingers touched it first.

Laur3ns 06-04-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hustler (Post 1018166)
It's still in a green car at least.

Matte Orange soon!
http://m.pinterest.com/pin/10836855323200316/
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370369203

Laur3ns 06-04-2013 02:09 PM

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More pictures of the good stuff:

Laur3ns 06-04-2013 02:14 PM

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Some specifics on the wastegate. This version doesn't have the water ports, so I'll run some air to it based on advice I got.

For boost control, there will be a 0.8bar (11.5psi) spring and EBC controller by the DTA ECU. I'm planning on using PID based closed loop boost control. In simple terms: 3D map with throttle%, rpm and target boost pressure. At 0.8bar I should be at about the same rwhp level as with my previous GT2560R at 1.1bar (16psi).

sixshooter 06-04-2013 05:38 PM

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Orange, huh?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370381921

I guess you are representing the Dutch as you whoop ass at tracks all around the EU. Pretty cool.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370381921

Amazing build list but why no thermostat?

Laur3ns 06-04-2013 07:23 PM

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Orange, partly because it looks cool,
partly because our company style uses that color now,
partly because a local and web based Sneaker Store is sponsoring the car:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370388236
Fahrenheit Sneaker Store Enschede - Webshop Premium sneakers : Schoenen van de volgende merken: Nike, Adidas, Converse,Vans,Cruyff Classics, New Balance, Timberland, Clarks Nike Jordan,

No thermostat because it's one less thing to break, there is a gutted tstat in there. Track temperatures are excellent at around 90C/194F.

Exhaust is in place, as is the manifold and waste gate. Had to trim a flange from the bell house for the WG tube.

Need to gather some parts now...

TurboTim 06-04-2013 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by Spookyfish (Post 1018375)
Orange, partly because it looks cool,

Hell yeah. I love orange.


Exhaust is in place, as is the manifold and waste gate. Had to trim a flange from the bell house for the WG tube.

Need to gather some parts now...
oh yeah. I always forget about that tab.

Adding a flex to the dump would make life easier.

Laur3ns 06-05-2013 01:57 AM

Seems I need a TiAL turbine inlet clamp. Who has one, they could ship quickly?

muoto 06-05-2013 02:38 AM

Always nice to see baller build threads from Europe :bigtu:

Zaphod 06-05-2013 02:42 AM


Originally Posted by Spookyfish (Post 1018492)
Seems I need a TiAL turbine inlet clamp. Who has one, they could ship quickly?

Startseite - Turbozentrum • TurboZentrum WebShop could be worth a try...

Laur3ns 06-05-2013 02:55 AM


Originally Posted by Zaphod (Post 1018499)

Thanks, seems this is it?
V-Band Schelle GT28-35 Einlass (Krümmer) Turbos & Komponenten Garrett Gehäuse TiAL Abgasgehäuse V-Band Anschlüsse

Zaphod 06-05-2013 05:05 AM

This should be correct imho, but I am no expert on V-band things...

Scrappy Jack 06-05-2013 08:56 AM

I like this car even more now. I'm glad to see the Hustler/AbsurdFlow awesomeness live on in a worthy successor.

Laur3ns 06-05-2013 09:20 AM

Ordered. Should be here tomorrow. Berlin's coolest guys.

Zaphod 06-05-2013 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Spookyfish (Post 1018530)
Ordered. Should be here tomorrow. Berlin's coolest guys.

Yepp, I also order quite some things there - they are very good to deal with and I think their shop is the best sorted turbo shop around...

hustler 06-05-2013 04:39 PM

Email me how much I owe you. This means I have one of these floating around my garage. The good news is that you have a spare turbine-outlet clamp.

Don't forget to always use anti-seize when the come on and off.

Laur3ns 06-05-2013 04:52 PM

Will do, no worries.

Ordered a ton of new 1/4 ID hose and Y's T's and reducers for the vac plumbing. Gonna make that pretty.

BTW, why so much heat wrap on the SS oil/water lines? I never had that on my lines, never had problems.

hustler 06-05-2013 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Spookyfish (Post 1018764)
Will do, no worries.

Ordered a ton of new 1/4 ID hose and Y's T's and reducers for the vac plumbing. Gonna make that pretty.

BTW, why so much heat wrap on the SS oil/water lines? I never had that on my lines, never had problems.

Silicone is for fire retardation, not heat abatement. I wrapped anything that can burn with that stuff because it's cheap insurance, especially near parts that glow yellow.

Savington 06-05-2013 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by Spookyfish (Post 1018764)
BTW, why so much heat wrap on the SS oil/water lines? I never had that on my lines, never had problems.

Under the SS is rubber. Wrap them if you want them to last.

Don't use an impact gun to install/remove the turbine inlet/outlet clamps. You'll destroy the clamp if you do.

Have fun lining all that shit up the first time. It's an ABSURDflow rite of passage :dealwithit:

shuiend 06-06-2013 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1018815)
Under the SS is rubber. Wrap them if you want them to last.

Don't use an impact gun to install/remove the turbine inlet/outlet clamps. You'll destroy the clamp if you do.

Have fun lining all that shit up the first time. It's an ABSURDflow rite of passage :dealwithit:

Get someone to come help you hold things in place the first time that you put on the kit. It will make lining everything up a hell of a lot easier.

TurboTim 06-06-2013 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1018960)
Get someone to come help you hold things in place the first time that you put on the kit. It will make lining everything up a hell of a lot easier.

You think your down/dump pipe is hard to install...


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1018815)
Have fun lining all that shit up the first time. It's an ABSURDflow rite of passage :dealwithit:

Christ, tell me about it. But that's only on the first 3, yours, trey's, nick's. Then I found Vibrant's tight R 1.5" bend and they came out with their smooth liner flex, and I also shortened the dump tube. And used vband on the 3" pipe. Life is better on those. ;)

Laur3ns 06-06-2013 02:52 PM

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Actually, lining it all up, alone was not so bad. Took about an hour of fiddling - on a car that had never seen this kit before. I needed to trim a piece of bell housing.

The manifold, wastegate, downpipe, dump tube, test pipe are all in place. Only the turbo needs to go on but that should be not so hard.

Meanwhile, a friend played nice and brought me my AST kit:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370544729
That is a 800 (110 tender) / 500 (55 helper) spring.

2ndGearRubber 06-06-2013 07:53 PM

My jaw literally dropped. The travel..... the glorious travel...

I ASSume that those are 949 Xida dampers? What made you determine your helper/tender setup, and spring rate?

emilio700 06-06-2013 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by 2ndGearRubber (Post 1019230)
My jaw literally dropped. The travel..... the glorious travel...

I ASSume that those are 949 Xida dampers? What made you determine your helper/tender setup, and spring rate?

They are not Xidas. Those are basically what AST Holland had before I asked AST USA to help me develop our Xida. Good dampers, a little longer, different pistons and damping curves, no extended rear mounts (bump travel). When someone in Europe contacts AST or on of their dealers there for NA/NB dampers, this is what they ship. Xidas are only available through 949 Racing/SuperMiata.

From the pics it looks like the rears are zero rate tenders with flat wound helpers in front.

Laur3ns 06-07-2013 09:07 AM

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Expensive TiAL clamp arrived today, plus exhaust heat wrap.
I can now mate the turbo and proceed.

Laur3ns 06-07-2013 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1019248)
Good dampers

This. They are based on input from the 'Ring Mazda' who runs 3-ways with externals since 2010. I suppose these have evolved a little since then. No doubt different than XIDA. Also different springs (60mm vs 2.25"/57mm), different top mounts, etc. Shipping and customs (both time and money) is spoiling a lot of fun in getting parts from the US. So glad I found these guys in Berlin. They sent me their 144pg 2013 catalog. Drool.

hustler 06-07-2013 11:48 AM

In for mating your exhaust to my downpipe.

emilio700 06-07-2013 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by Spookyfish (Post 1019346)
So glad I found these guys in Berlin. They sent me their 144pg 2013 catalog. Drool.

Who? website?

Leafy 06-07-2013 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 1019396)
In for mating your exhaust to my pipe.

:giggle:

Laur3ns 06-07-2013 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1019477)
Who? website?

Startseite - Turbozentrum • TurboZentrum WebShop
I was stunned to find they have a million motorsports turbo parts in stock, only $13 shipping away.

Laur3ns 06-07-2013 04:35 PM

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Meanwhile, FTD at a local kart track :)
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1370637327

TurboTim 06-07-2013 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by Spookyfish (Post 1019486)
Startseite - Turbozentrum • TurboZentrum WebShop
I was stunned to find they have a million motorsports turbo parts in stock, only $13 shipping away.

Why isarebe every 20th word in English? There is no German word for "turbo"?

Oh hell yeah
http://www.turbozentrum.de/spezials-...drink/a-28973/
Kid is asleep, wifey is in bed next to me on Pinterest, I'm on mt.net...a little DER ENGERGY-DRINK POWERDED BY TURBOZENTRUM BERLIN would be great right about now...

BRAAAP!!!

Laur3ns 06-08-2013 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by TurboTim (Post 1019543)
Why isarebe every 20th word in English? There is no German word for "turbo"?

Oh hell yeah
liquid turboboost turbodrink - TZB Energy-Drink Specials & Restposten TZB-Line
Kid is asleep, wifey is in bed next to me on Pinterest, I'm on mt.net...a little DER ENGERGY-DRINK POWERDED BY TURBOZENTRUM BERLIN would be great right about now...

BRAAAP!!!

Yea, that is weird but kinda like a gimmick.

A bit of fiddling today. Figured out which oil/water lines to use (combining H's and mine) and if the turbo would fit. It will, but I might need to put a space between the test pipe and the exhaust as to not pull it forward too much.

Something like this:
http://www.ebay.nl/itm/3-76mm-Mild-S...item483e0e5086

Installed the oil inlet, water in/outlet and working on the oil return for which I need to trim some hex bolts. Cleaned up the compressor housing, H, that was a dirty bitch!

Laur3ns 06-09-2013 04:52 AM

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Candidate colour: 3M Matte Orange.
Plenty of samples here:
https://www.google.nl/search?q=3m+ma...bm=isch&tab=wi

Scrappy Jack 06-09-2013 07:17 AM

This car was already pretty awesome. Now it's progressing towards legendary.

Edit: And yes to matte orange for a race car.

Laur3ns 06-09-2013 04:21 PM

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Fitment almost complete. Turbo now mated to manifold and exhaust. Going to use a 10mm (~1/2") spacer so I don't have to pull the exhaust forward and cause strain. Figured out 99% of the oil/water lines. Turbo almost 'hit block', so the inside water line is fiddly. The oil return may prove tricky if my return is more to the front of the pan, which seems the case.

Oh, the intercooler pipes fit flawlessly. The cold side is clocked now. Spray painted the new pipes.

Laur3ns 06-10-2013 04:47 PM

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Fabbed a new oil return line and finalized the oil inlet and water in/outlet. Clocked the compressor side. Awaiting some parts so I can finalize the turbo installation.

Right now I'm on safety wire detail so I can safety wire the cold side bolts.

Laur3ns 06-11-2013 04:10 PM

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Safety wired the compressor housing and bolted that sh*t up.
New oil drain line completed. It's tight with the steering rack, compressor outlet pipe and all, but will work.

Got the new rear hubs ready to fit. No pics of those.

Laur3ns 06-11-2013 04:37 PM

Ah, and my name change fell through, nice.

curly 06-11-2013 08:48 PM

Why are you Laur3ns. I don't get it. What happened to Spookyfish.

18psi 06-11-2013 08:49 PM

yeah, spookyfish was awesome

Laur3ns 06-12-2013 02:04 AM

Sorry for those who liked the Southpark character, but it was time for a change.

Doesn't make me nor the car any different ��

Braineack 06-12-2013 08:39 AM

It kinda does.

Laur3ns 06-12-2013 09:09 AM

Just await dyno sheets and Ring vids ��

Laur3ns 06-13-2013 01:51 PM

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Small stuff:
- Rear bump stops shortened
- Exhaust spacer arrived
- New hubs mounted in the rear uprights with ARP studs

samulis 06-13-2013 03:41 PM

Really looking forward to hear how you like the AST's. Do you have any restrictions/law's about build your car in NL?

Laur3ns 06-13-2013 07:39 PM

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So, all the stuff is bolted up!
Car starts, oil the grease is smoking off, turbo makes scary sounds.

Need to fix wastegate plumbing, install suspension, rear hubs and get some dyno time.

Laur3ns 06-13-2013 07:43 PM

This scares me:


Leafy 06-13-2013 07:52 PM

I dont hear nuthin.

shuiend 06-14-2013 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Laur3ns (Post 1021621)
This scares me:

GT2860RS Spin - YouTube

That did not seem to strange. I know Hustler got upgraded bearings and such inside the turbo which might account for a little of the noise. I can see if I can get a video of how mine sounds being spun by hand when I get home.

Laur3ns 06-14-2013 10:57 AM

Oil drain has oil, so I am probably overreacting. I feel better about it than I did last night.
Also, how tight are those v-bands supposed to be? I think I still have a slight exhaust leak somewhere.

I've already killed one on the test pipe :) Luckily I had a spare. Hand tools only.

shlammed 06-14-2013 10:58 AM

My bb turbo you would hear spin for a long time when it was turned off.

prime the oil in the turbo before you start the car and almost guaranteed your noise will go away

Leafy 06-14-2013 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by Laur3ns (Post 1021766)
Oil drain has oil, so I am probably overreacting. I feel better about it than I did last night.
Also, how tight are those v-bands supposed to be? I think I still have a slight exhaust leak somewhere.

I've already killed one on the test pipe :) Luckily I had a spare. Hand tools only.

Nickle anti-seize.


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