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Stein 04-04-2012 08:56 AM

inorite?

curly 04-04-2012 11:27 AM

Say "shock pocket" ten times fast.

Scrappy Jack 04-04-2012 01:38 PM

Say "shock pocket" with the "Hoooot Pocket!" jingle.



And then try not hearing it the next time you read "shock pocket."

gearhead_318 04-04-2012 02:50 PM

This project is too simple, you need to go AWD.

Stein 04-14-2012 12:12 AM

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Final fitting of rear subframe holder has been completed. Pads for subframe mounting points are flat and parallel within a 1/16" of the planned dimension. It's ready to weld in place.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1334376722
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1334376722
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1334376722

Stein 04-19-2012 11:39 PM

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Got the parts cut and formed for the rest of the transmission tunnel.

Drilled and used cleco clamps to hold the formed tunnel piece to the floor. Clecos are wonderful temporary fixtures to hold parts while drilling. You drill a hole and then use a pair of plier-like things to depress a spring which retracts the jaws, stick the cleco into the hole, release the pliers and the spring forces out the jaws so the draw the two pieces together tightly and align them.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1334893178

After that I cut away the part of the floor in the tunnel.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1334893178

Finally I cut two pieces to fill in the space between the new tunnel and the original Miata subframe section.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1334893178

I need to remove the paint from the weld areas and can weld the parts in place. Boring I know, but it's what I did today.

WonTon 04-21-2012 12:18 AM

This is making me happy! cant wait to see more.

Splitime 04-24-2012 02:13 PM

So love this build.

Stein 04-24-2012 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by Splitime (Post 869324)
So love this build.

Thanks but there will be no updates for a bit. I pulled the V8 car back into the shop and there it will stay until I get the tach, speedo, Maxiguages gauge pack working. (They are still in the box they came in.):loser: And then get the alignment and tune done. It's silly to have all of this time and money sitting here and never drive it.

Stein 10-13-2012 12:14 AM

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Started installing new frame rails today. I had to cut the old ones out when I cut the Miata pan to fit into the SAAB.

Both ends look like this.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1350101644

New frame rails constructed from 2" square tubing with 1" angle iron flanges welded onto it.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1350101644

Frame rails will be bolted into place first, then welded in once everything is drawn up tight into position. Need to make a hardware run tomorrow for proper bolts and fender washers but everything is pulling into place nicely.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1350101644

y8s 10-13-2012 08:53 AM

I had totally forgotten about this project.

And now you've re-whetted my appetite!

Braineack 10-13-2012 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 938919)
And now you've re-whetted my appetite!


wHeeat thins.

y8s 10-13-2012 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 938930)
wHeeat thins.

cool wHip?

Stein 10-14-2012 01:21 AM

Got the other frame rail bolted in tonight. No pic. Looks like the other one.

dk wolf 10-14-2012 01:49 AM

I made a jealous in my pants

stefanst 10-14-2012 08:53 PM

Totally awesome build. My dad used to road-rally in the 70s. Came up against a few of the old Saabs. He always talked about them. Maybe I can find one of his old Super8 films with a 96 in it.
They were not known for handling, but they were supposedly near indestructible. Many a small tree in northern Europe found its' live ended by Saab 96 bumpers and fenders.

Splitime 10-15-2012 12:01 PM

Hooray! This thread lives again!

Stein 11-03-2012 12:25 AM

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Picked up a sweet pan/box brake this week in Branson, MO. Not sure what brand it is (it's not marked) but it's very high quality and appears be domestic production. All surface ground fingers, high quality castings. It's at least 400 lbs. Heck, the eccentric shaft is 2" in diameter. Anyway, it appears to be new/old stock. A bit of surface rust but doesn't appear to have ever been used. Got it for $500 but it looks like at least a $1500 unit. Going to be really nice for all of the little panels that I need to bend up to finish boxing in the welded-in sections of Miata unibody.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1351916701

Stein 11-05-2012 12:33 AM

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Some pics of yesterday/today's progress.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1352093627
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1352093627

Just barely started on rust repair tonight. Going to be SLLLOOOOWWW going without a lot of MVP (Major Visual Progress).

Scrappy Jack 11-05-2012 09:23 AM

Metal brakes are very cool! Nice find.

Stein 01-07-2013 12:18 AM

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First update in a while as I've been working on rust repair for the last few weeks. Even though I spent 100 hours or so on it, it wasn't comment or photo-worthy. I got to work on some fun stuff finally. Got the roll bar in. I had to wait on adding the harness bar to the hoop/diagonal until the seats were in so that I knew how high to place it. That will go in tomorrow.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1357535894
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1357535894
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Got the seats in. I had to raise the seats from stock Miata height by 6" so I spent a lot of time figuring out that one. That and I had to move them inboard from the stock locations to clear the B pillar. Someone who owns a SAAB 96 said that he didn't know how they would fit with the tunnel in there. Well, they do and he didn't anticipate the power of someone who is building something essentially from scratch. Each was moved 3" inboard but because the bottom of the seat is flush with the top of the tunnel it worked. Sounds like the shifter location would be funky but your hand falls to the shifter even better than the stock location.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1357535894
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1357535894

Stein 01-09-2013 09:10 AM

Progress will be slowing a bit. Decided to work on my welding skilz a bit so I'm taking a night class for TIG and MIG at the local community college a couple nights a week so I lose those shop nights. It just timed out that it started Monday, it's winter so I'm not losing "outdoor" time and I have always meant to do it.

I'm just self-taught and have been globbing metal together for over 20 years and decided that it's time to unlearn some bad habits and perfect my technique.

I am pretty much done with mods to the tub. I'm going to install the engine, trans, diff, controls, column, MC/ clutch and pedals just to make sure everything fits this weekend. Then I need to cut up three PPFs to stretch one and measure for a new longer driveshaft.

Stein 01-12-2013 07:39 PM

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Two guys stopped out today so we installed the drivetrain.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358037592
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358037592

Plenty of room to V-mount the radiator and intercooler.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358037592

We threw some old wheels on and set it down on the ground for the first time in a year. The fenders were zip-tied on just to see how much work they will need. The fronts won't be bad at all.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358037592
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358037592

The rears will need some pretty good flares.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358037592

Still lots of work to do.

G3ML1NGZ 01-13-2013 10:08 AM

Damn I'm liking this. Can't wait to see more.

sixshooter 01-13-2013 01:15 PM

I'm expecting an evil laugh befitting a super-villain to come from you when you finish this.

JackV 01-15-2013 03:57 PM

this is one of the coolest build i have seen! In for more progress!

Stein 01-19-2013 12:10 AM

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Getting the pedals and steering column mounted up and the heater/blower motor. Had to make all new brackets and position the steering wheel quite a bit higher than stock. Everything still turns smooth.

Going to be fun making a new dash.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358572234
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358572234

Scrappy Jack 01-19-2013 03:27 PM

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Some motivation:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358627249

NiklasFalk 01-19-2013 03:35 PM

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or
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1358627656
Depending on preference :)

"Wrong" engine in the front though...

GeneSplicer 01-19-2013 06:07 PM

Nahhhh NiklasFalk... sorry, but Scrappy's girl got you beat :bigtu: I'd bang that in a Volvo... or anywhere for that fact :)


Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack (Post 969920)


But to be relavant to the build - yer crazy Stein - but I like it!

Stein 01-20-2013 01:13 AM

Now that I have the seat mounted - thigh portion of the Sprints is a full 12" off the floor - and the wheel in, it's like sitting in a Ranger or S-10 pickup. Strangely enough, the shifter location feels better dropping a hand down to it now than conventional Miata placement.

Stein 01-21-2013 11:41 PM

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Modified one of my extra PPF's to accommodate the 10" longer wheelbase. As it's aluminum so I got to try out my new skilz from welding class. I cut up a spare to graft in a section and then cut four flanges to gusset the top and bottom.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358829718

Braineack 01-22-2013 08:42 AM

This build is so great. I keep giggling just from the mere thought of seeing this on the track pwning n00bs.

Zaphod 01-22-2013 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 970641)
This build is so great. I keep giggling just from the mere thought of seeing this on the track pwning n00bs.

Ohhhhhh yeah....

curly 01-22-2013 02:09 PM

I've always liked this guy's swap, same concept:

Project "MX520" TOP SECRET - Page 56 - Project Datto - Ratsun Forums - Page 56

Scroll down to post #1119, their picture setup is weird, or else I'd post it here.

gearhead_318 01-22-2013 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by curly (Post 970817)
I've always liked this guy's swap, same concept:

Project "MX520" TOP SECRET - Page 56 - Project Datto - Ratsun Forums - Page 56

Scroll down to post #1119, their picture setup is weird, or else I'd post it here.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1358882192

Super clean.

Braineack 01-22-2013 02:18 PM

it might be clean, but it's still a 1.6L.

Stein 01-30-2013 11:50 PM

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Got a bit more done. Finished the radiator install and welded in sheet metal to seal off the lower radiator. I forgot how thick the automatic radiators are compared to the stock 5 speed radiators. At least twice as thick. I thought it was more but not that much. I'm going to try it first and if I need more cooling I'll change it.

Intercooler, turbo and flanges to fabricate new turbo manifold are ordered.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359607809

Started on the dash fabrication.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359607809
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359607809

sixshooter 01-31-2013 09:38 AM

Don't whack your knee on the corner of the center section! Looking good.

Stein 01-31-2013 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 973786)
Don't whack your knee on the corner of the center section! Looking good.

It's going to wrap around, not done yet.

Stein 02-01-2013 09:11 AM

Got my manifold, turbo and downpipe flanges ordered from Wiertech. Also got my stainless weld-els there as well. They are only $4.15 each. They are Schedule 10 instead of 40 but will be plenty thick and easier to form and cut.

Going to do the bottom mount modified log this go-around.

Stein 02-03-2013 01:01 AM

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Built shroud to completely seal radiator and intercooler. It's sealed up tight. I still need to get some panel nuts to screw the top down. That way I can get at everything by just unbolting the top plate.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359871291
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359871291

Intercooler installed. I wanted to V-mount it but it didn't work out. Even so, as tight as this shroud is to the grille I don't see any cooling problems and the over the radiator routing of charge pipes is a clear shot to turbo and throttle body.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359871291
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359871291

Braineack 02-03-2013 08:24 AM

you're not done with the entire car? lets put a little effort into this...

Stein 02-03-2013 11:28 PM

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Spent 10 hours in the shop today but it doesn't look like it. Lots of tedious things done. Finished making brackets that run the length of the front of the dash and welded them to the dash, drilled and tapped holes in the SAAB so the dash is mounted with eight bolts. I can pull the dash in two minutes. Not in pics but welded up endcaps to finish off the ends of the dash. Still need to do two side panels that go down by your legs to hide the heater box. Also installed factory gauge cluster.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359952112
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359952112

lesac 02-04-2013 01:44 AM

What an awesome build thread! where abouts in Nebraska are you? Id love to see some of your creations first hand.

Stein 02-04-2013 08:39 AM

I'm between Ceresco and Valparaiso, about an hour west of you.

Scrappy Jack 02-04-2013 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Stein (Post 974974)
Also installed factory gauge cluster.

I'm thinking you need some custom gauge faces from RevLimiter that are a little more retro to better fit with the overall theme.

Stein 02-04-2013 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack (Post 975076)
I'm thinking you need some custom gauge faces from RevLimiter that are a little more retro to better fit with the overall theme.

BECAUSE RACECAR things that don't affect performance won't be changed if they require additional cost. I have another stock cluster with the normal black faced gauges. I don't know if I like the white face or black face better on this car.

Scrappy Jack 02-04-2013 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by Stein (Post 975099)
BECAUSE RACECAR things that don't affect performance won't be changed if they require additional cost. I have another stock cluster with the normal black faced gauges. I don't know if I like the white face or black face better on this car.

What series will you be competing in?



:party:


Just kidding. I understand and it's really the position I should also take. But I won't. :burncash: :cry:

Stein 02-04-2013 12:16 PM

While this is an extensive project, labor-wise, the intent was to be a budget swap. It has crept up but I'm trying to keep it to a minimum.

What I don't want to happen is what happened with the V8 Miata. It was going to be a track car but it got too many niceties, perfect paint, etc and got too expensive to risk.

This will be cheap enough that if it gets damaged I'll be sad but not devastated.

Scrappy Jack 03-05-2013 10:59 AM

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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1362499193

Modernbeat's 1963 Saab vintage rally car.

bcrx7 03-05-2013 11:33 AM

I really like the fab work and how nice and simple, but effective you are keeping everything. Great work! There is definitely some thinking behind the process!

miata2fast 03-05-2013 07:11 PM

I can not believe I just discovered this thread. Very nice work John, I mean Damn! I can not wait to see the finished product.

sixshooter 03-05-2013 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack (Post 975107)
What series will you be competing in?

He can probably run it Performance Touring. I'd love to see it there, actually.

rhysmate 03-07-2013 05:03 AM

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...24SSPlOqsViuZu

Stein 03-10-2013 11:44 PM

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Spent the day on the SAAB. Pulled motor/trans, pressed out old bushings, installed Energy Suspension polyurethanes and started on flaring the fenders.

I have no idea why the photos turned out so dark. Anyway...

Stock front fender

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1362973481

Sectioned, flared and re-welded. There is a ton of work yet to do but it's roughed out.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1362973481

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1362973481

y8s 03-11-2013 09:53 AM

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It's dark because your camera was adjusting to the light shine spots and compensating. try doing your pre-photo-snap auto-focus/light-meter half-button-press (and other hyphenated fun) on the darker areas instead of on the fender. it should meter you a brighter exposure.

Remember, digital cameras are limited to a finite number of grays and unless you override defaults, they will strive to keep everything within that limited dynamic range. A good rule of thumb that your camera obviously knows is "it's better to lighten a dark photo than to darken a light one" and its corollary of "overexposure of white areas is lost information".

if your camera doesn't adjust by itself, you can use the exposure compensation and tweak the epoxure. it usually looks like a +/- or eV or something.

examples:
photo taken of bright screen. my phone meters on the center of the image, not the focus area.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1363010377

photo taken of mostly keyboard. note that the screen is blown out and super bright, but the keyboard is more visible:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1363010377

You can sometimes change the weighting of the exposure but not always. it's usually easier to obtain focus/exposure lock on the specific area you want and then hold the shutter half way to hold those values and move the camera to point at the whole area you are photographing.

TMI, baby.

Stein 03-16-2013 06:11 PM

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Got one of the rears tacked up today. Had to stretch it about 4" so had to cut quite a ways up.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1363471891

Tacked in place. Wheel is at full travel.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1363471891
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curly 03-16-2013 08:34 PM

When you tackle a project, you really tackle it. I would of given up after that first photo.

Fireindc 03-16-2013 08:47 PM

Holy crap, I'm impressed. This is going to be such an awesome car.


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