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Stein 12-23-2013 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Track (Post 1085048)
do want!

Saw this one in Sweden this year. I liked it very much.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1387829266

I did spend several hours on bodywork last night. Will be hitting it hard over the next week in between holiday stuff. I have a couple days off that I had to burn by year end. Still plan on it going to paint by March.

Stein 12-25-2013 11:59 PM

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Put in several hours the last couple of days in between Christmas stuff. Got several parts through 80 grit and a very light coat of poof-can primer to close it up. Working on rear fenders now, then a bit of touch-up work needed on doors. They are both 80% done. Should be ready to prime and start dealing with the little imperfections in a week or two. Going to have to get some professional help then. I've gone as far as my non-existent skills have taken me. This is the first time I've ever done any sort of bodywork.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1388033971
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Splitime 12-26-2013 12:44 AM

Um, looking like a EPIC first bodywork attempt.

rleete 12-26-2013 09:18 AM

Looks pretty damn good to me, experienced or not.

miata2fast 12-26-2013 09:47 AM

I was thinking the same thing.

leatherface24 12-26-2013 11:38 AM

ditto. Great job man. Keep it going

Stein 12-26-2013 11:54 PM

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Got the rear fenders done. As they were the most hacked up they were the most work. Again, a very light coat of primer just to seal them up. They still need work. It becomes obvious with the primer guide coat. Just have the rear valence and passenger part behind the door and the two doors to finish. All are close. Should easily finish roughing them out by New Years day.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1388120076
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Stein 12-28-2013 12:23 AM

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More done tonight.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1388208181

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Started on the worst door. I've been told that blocking something that size is very difficult. I took that as a challenge. I wish I had a longer long board. Mine's only about 15".

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1388208181

rleete 12-28-2013 07:25 AM

A couple of tips:

Let the sandpaper do the work. You shouldn't have to force it, or bear down on it. If you find yourself having to press down, either change the sandpaper or move to a coarser grit. Sandpaper is cheap compared to your time.

If it's getting clogged up, you're going too fast or the primer isn't completely dry/cured. Chances are, you're pushing too hard. Once again, coarser grit.

Stein 12-28-2013 11:12 AM

I have been using 80 grit 3M gold premium paper. What I have been doing was hit it to find the high spots, work those a bit with the DA with 80, then back to the board, rinse and repeat. I do change paper often and have never seen any clogging issues.

I have been having plenty time to cure. I would just rotate spots or parts, working around 5 areas or so in rotation. That's getting tougher to do because I'm actually running out of areas needing work! There is a light at the end of this tunnel and I can see it.

Stein 12-28-2013 11:54 PM

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Smoothed the firewall tonight.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1388292876

Got one door done.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1388292876

Only one door left and it's close to being done - maybe an hour or two left on it. Then I need to start doing some touch-up on all of the parts of the car. I will have everything done that I can do by 1/1/14.

Stein 12-28-2013 11:55 PM

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Smoothed the firewall tonight.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1388292918

Got one door done.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1388292918

Only one door left and it's close to being done - maybe an hour or two left on it. Then I need to start doing some touch-up on all of the parts of the car. I will have everything done that I can do by 1/1/14.

Stein 12-28-2013 11:59 PM

Bear in mind that I'm just putting a light coat of primer over the finished parts so it looks blotchy. At $20 a poof can for automotive self-etching primer I'm going to wait until I can spray it with a gun to get full coverage. It's too expensive to do it this way.

Scrappy Jack 12-29-2013 03:53 PM

Santa and his Volvo obviously had the intended effect of getting this Saab back on track.

I'm pleased to see this, Mr. Stein. Not pleased enough - at this point - to overcome the disappointment of the loss of the truck.

Stein 01-01-2014 12:40 AM

Nothing photo-worthy but I logged 5 hours yesterday and 12 today just filling pinholes and scratches, build priming and sanding to 320 grit. Got one door and three fenders completely done and put away. I have all day tomorrow in the shop so I should be done with major components. I don't have a firm date for paint yet. Waiting on the painter's schedule. Tentatively the last weekend of January.

Stein 01-04-2014 12:44 AM

Confirmed today that the car goes for paint on 1/24 so I have a hard deadline!

rleete 01-04-2014 03:50 PM

What color?

turbofan 01-04-2014 04:09 PM

Looking awesome -- can't wait to see it finished!

Stein 01-04-2014 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by rleete (Post 1088464)
What color?

Mustang Grabber Blue

turbofan 01-04-2014 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Stein (Post 1088481)
Mustang Grabber Blue

:drool:

I was jokingly going to suggest laguna seca blue like jeff's car. But that'll do.

Scrappy Jack 01-05-2014 05:01 PM

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Glad to see I could provide the right amount of continued inspiration to get you going again. :D

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Stein 01-05-2014 11:37 PM

Debating on doing the white stripe like the second one above. Even thought about the "lower door" skinny-wide-skinny stripe like on Mustangs etc. Probably hold off for now, if they do go on they will be in vinyl anyway.

And thanks for the last one. Reminded me that I have to dig out that little piece of nose trim for paint. Getting all of the small bits sanded, primed and packed up now so I don't forget anything.

I wonder what he has for a motor in the last one. The hood pins caught me off guard as the hood tips forward but then saw the hood scoop.

Stein 01-05-2014 11:42 PM

And no, I haven't been slacking. Put in a solid 40 hours in the last five days. Just nothing to take pictures of. Sanding, painting, filling, repeating.

NiklasFalk 01-06-2014 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Stein (Post 1088830)
I wonder what he has for a motor in the last one. The hood pins caught me off guard as the hood tips forward but then saw the hood scoop.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1389015987

http://www.tonikoskinen.com/saab_96_projektit.html for the Finnish project page

Stein 01-09-2014 12:01 AM

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Hood, trunk, one door, fabricated dash and two rear fenders are "done" done. Final sanding with 320, no scratches or pinholes. Will do remaining door and two fronts tomorrow.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1389243664

y8s 01-09-2014 09:41 AM

Stein gets a new avatar.

Stein 01-09-2014 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1089947)
Stein gets a new avatar.

LOL

BTW, I have almost used up the two rolls of paper that I got from you and have fondled your sanding blocks more than my wife in the last month.:makeout:

y8s 01-09-2014 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by Stein (Post 1089975)
LOL

BTW, I have almost used up the two rolls of paper that I got from you and have fondled your sanding blocks more than my wife in the last month.:makeout:

And you've probably got a few pounds of bondo dust and primer in your lungs too!

I'm just proud to have helped the casue.

Stein 01-09-2014 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1089996)
And you've probably got a few pounds of bondo dust and primer in your lungs too!

I'm just proud to have helped the casue.

I am coughing a bit. Masks are for wussies and people that want to live a while longer

Scrappy Jack 01-12-2014 07:51 PM

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Stein 01-12-2014 11:49 PM

Not much to report this weekend. Went to a farm sale and they had a pallet full of 25-30 quilted moving blankets which I purchased for $25. Will be nice for wrapping all of the parts for the four hour journey to the paint shop.

Stein 01-24-2014 09:15 AM

Loaded everything into my truck and enclosed trailer last night. Leaving for KC at noon today. Should have it prepped and sealed tonight and painted and cleared tomorrow.

Decided on going with matte finish black for the whole interior and the dash. Miata carpet and stock SAAB door panels and rear panels are going back in after spraying them with black vinyl and fabric paint. The car is still going to be Grabber Blue. On the exterior I am going to paint the grille, door handles, trunk handle and latches black as well as blacking out the rockers. I'm thinking of now doing a black stripe on the center of the hood and possibly a narrow/wide/narrow stripe on the lower section of the door. Might need to break up all of that blue. I'll wait on the stripes and put them on with vinyl later if needed.

Should have lots of pics Sunday night.

Seefo 01-24-2014 11:17 AM

^ Exciting!

turbofan 01-24-2014 03:12 PM

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Sunday? Sunday is good.

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Stein 01-26-2014 11:30 PM

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Jut got home a bit ago. It went extremely well although it took every minute that we had this weekend.

Got there about 4:30 on Friday. Unloaded and started masking to paint the interior to paint matte black.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1390797016

Painting the interior.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1390797016

Interior done. Also painted all of the trim pieces that are going onto the car the same matte black.

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John scuffing before sealer.

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Panels and doors sealed.

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Masked off the interior to seal the car while the panels are base/clear coated.

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Panels done. They came out nice.

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Next we painted the car.

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Car done.

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A few shots outside. Looks lighter in the outdoor pics than it really is.

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Loaded up and got home about 8:30 Sunday night.

18psi 01-26-2014 11:46 PM

so fresh and so clean

wow

great job congrats

Full_Tilt_Boogie 01-27-2014 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1095818)
so fresh so clean

such wow

very great job congrats

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1390803363

Zaphod 01-27-2014 02:41 AM

Oh sooo nice! Keep up the good work, I really enjoy this build thread! Props!

Stein 01-27-2014 09:59 AM

It just occurred to me and had to check. I got it painted a week shy of two years since I started. I estimate 600 hours into is thus far. I should be able to finish it in less than 200 hours.

I'll be out of town this week but first order of business is to get it back in the shop onto jackstands again, get the motor in and lay out the wiring harness on the floor so I can see where I need to start drilling holes for the harness to pass through the inner fenders to the motor. As the Miata inner fenders are outside of the SAAB inner fenders it will allow the harness to lay in its stock location but still be tucked.

I'm installing the entire Miata harness in its entirety as it should drop right in and I'm not willing to invest the time to strip out the harness to remove airbag wiring, etc. I could probably strip out 15 lbs if I did, but I want the wiring to be as painless as possible as I hate doing it so the whole thing is being dropped in as removed.

I'll have to do some actual wiring for the head/tail lights to interface with the SAAB parts but other than that it should be plug and play. I'm hoping that there is enough wiring in the harness that is in the back half of the car to the fuel pump, tail lights, etc to accommodate the wheelbase stretch without having to splice into it.

Next is fabricating the turbo manifold for a WRX TD04 turbo and modifying a Flyin' Miata full 2.5" exhaust to fit. The front half and rear half will be retained as complete as possible and just join them in the middle as the wheelbase has been stretched. I'll have to rework the downpipe to fit the TD04.

I have to do the same thing with the fuel/return/brake lines. All of the bends will fit as stock as the front and rear subframes and subframe mounting locations are intact. Just need to splice in about 10" underneath where there is a straight run along the frame rails.

That's kind of it for the big stuff. Of course there are a bunch of little things that in and of themselves aren't big jobs but they add up.

Seefo 01-27-2014 10:03 AM

Looks great! lookin' forward to seeing the rest.

Splitime 01-27-2014 10:22 AM

Awesome.

bikersam717 01-27-2014 12:04 PM

Awesome progress. Love the shade it appears in the inside pics. Can't wait to see this bad boy progress even more.

Braineack 01-27-2014 12:16 PM

Stein for pres.

greddygalant 01-27-2014 12:46 PM

Interested in seeing this completed, need HD video of big smokey burnouts once its all broken in.

Sean 01-27-2014 01:11 PM

Wow this car is awesome!!! I cant wait to see it finish coming together

turbofan 01-27-2014 07:31 PM

Looks absolutely incredible. Props to you.

y8s 01-27-2014 09:18 PM

*boioioioioing*

bcrx7 01-28-2014 12:02 PM

Love the colour! Looks great!

Efini~FC3S 01-28-2014 03:02 PM

Sub'd to this awesome shiii....

Looking at the most recent pics vs. the pics of the car when you first picked it up...jeez, mind bleeewwnnnn

Stein 02-04-2014 12:27 AM

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Starting to get it back together. Brakes and fuel back in. Harness is routed. All harness wires will be concealed behind the original SAAB inner fenders except for a couple of little places where it will have to poke through. Makes for a nice wire tuck.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1391491670

Also built a coolant reroute spacer.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1391491670

Stein 02-06-2014 11:47 PM

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Working on wiring. I hate it. So I stopped.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1391748430

Finished the coolant reroute. Tapped the oil pan for turbo drain. No reason to not reinstall it and start hooking things up. Passenger side is tight but enough room to fit everything. Plenty of room for the turbo on the driver's side. Going with a TD04 from a WRX.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1391748430

Zaphod 02-07-2014 03:03 AM

God, I love this project! Props given.

Opti 02-09-2014 11:00 PM

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Saw these and it reminded me of this thread
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Braineack 02-10-2014 07:24 AM

Stein, you're doing this wrong. You need to take pictures of every single part spray painted black.

sixshooter 02-10-2014 09:18 AM

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These guys will be racing this car in the 100 Acre Wood in MO pretty soon. (If any of you remember forum member "modernbeat", that's his car).

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1392041921

The Rally America event, Rally in the 100 Acre Wood is coming up in a few weeks. If you are anywhere St Louis you should come out and see rally stars and chumps competing in this event. Billed as "real cars, real roads" it is one of the best rallys in the US.
Rally in the 100 Acre Wood | February 21-22, 2014

Stein 02-16-2014 11:22 PM

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Turbo manifold and downpipe fabricated. Well, the downpipe is just tacked. Ran out of argon for my TIG.

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Got the radiator, fans, intercooler mounted.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1392610924

turbofan 02-16-2014 11:31 PM

Interesting manifold design. Any more pics of the process?

Stein 02-16-2014 11:41 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1102940)
Interesting manifold design. Any more pics of the process?

I'll get some when I pull it back out. It's basically a flowish log like I built for my NB a couple of years ago and like sturovo is building now with one extra el to top mount it. I didn't have room or side mount the turbo with the SAAB inner fender there and I have plenty of hood clearance plus the top feed intercooler it's easy in and easy out.

18psi 02-17-2014 01:07 AM

Nice work. I'd be a little bit concerned with that one el though, its supporting everything. Maybe brace it?

Stein 02-17-2014 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1102953)
Nice work. I'd be a little bit concerned with that one el though, its supporting everything. Maybe brace it?

Possibly. I considered a couple of braces but obviously haven't done anything yet.


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