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Dr.Sep Aug 2, 2021 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by knnstr (Post 1605527)
First off I'd like to thank Kraken for dealing with me. Crazy honest guys over there and I must admit, they handled my neediness like a champ.

Quick update:

Ordered my Kraken 3" exhaust with the Simons muffler, looks like a great quality piece. Simons aren't common this side of the pond but from info I did find they fit the bill for what I'm looking for sound wise. I'll definitely add in some sound clips once my build is up and running.

I have been researching more on spark and fueling, and ended up ordering a new set of ID1050X injectors. The 255lph deatschwerks I have should provide what I need for my goals anyway. Worse case get an upgraded unit and regulator if there are any problems. I'm still not convinced that I need dual feed but if any of you out there have anecdotal experiences saying otherwise I'm all ears!


​​​​​​Build is coming together, the EFR6758 coming in the next week or so along with the turbo blanket. ARP Head studs are being "fulfilled" but I'm still hopeful.

At least the the FM spring compressor is coming in this week so I can at least finish the head work as I'm waiting for more parts to arrive. I'll post some update pics as I make some sort of material and tangible progress and not just a lighter wallet. Lol

have the full kraken + simons, sounds GREAT in person... its not overly loud, zero drone, you are going to be really happy with it!

Girz0r Aug 2, 2021 10:16 PM

This is looking great. :likecat:


knnstr Aug 11, 2021 11:27 AM

Few more goodies came in, but first a quick update:
  1. Machinist needs another week due to staff vacation constraints
  2. ARP head studs 218-4701 still on back order
  3. I went with FM's stage 2 happy meal clutch kit with 10.3lb flywheel that should adequately handle my power goals
  4. FAB9 stage 1 Intercooler was what was recommended to me, 350hp rated and should help with spool being smaller than their stage 2 I/C and my 1.9l needing to spin up that 6758
  5. In order to pair well with the Supermiata Qmax Coolant Reroute, I went with the Supermiata Crossflow Radiator because the rad outlet is further towards the passenger side to minimize the angles needed to go around the throttle body inlet
  6. EGR delete plates ordered through Miataroadster
  7. TURBO ARRIVED!
  8. I started cleaning the head and valve stems

With the block delays, the head studs on back order and Kraken on vacation for my exhaust, I'm not holding my breath that this build will be done before the season ends :facepalm:
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ryansmig Aug 11, 2021 04:57 PM

FWIW, I'm running 20-21 PSI on 93 with a Kraken low mount and 6258 with pretty conservative timing. Virtual Dyno says its making 319whp which is right around your 330+ goal. I'm sure you could pull a little power out of it than what I'm making

knnstr Aug 11, 2021 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by ryansmig (Post 1606274)
FWIW, I'm running 20-21 PSI on 93 with a Kraken low mount and 6258 with pretty conservative timing. Virtual Dyno says its making 319whp which is right around your 330+ goal. I'm sure you could pull a little power out of it than what I'm making

That's great to know!

What is it like to be making more than 300whp in your car? :)

​​​​can you share the virtual dyno plot? I'm curious to see the boost too!

knnstr Aug 11, 2021 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by ryansmig (Post 1606274)
FWIW, I'm running 20-21 PSI on 93 with a Kraken low mount and 6258 with pretty conservative timing. Virtual Dyno says its making 319whp which is right around your 330+ goal. I'm sure you could pull a little power out of it than what I'm making

Just did a little snooping at your build thread. Lots of great info there, I will be reading through it. Good stuff Ryan!

ryansmig Aug 12, 2021 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by knnstr (Post 1606283)
Just did a little snooping at your build thread. Lots of great info there, I will be reading through it. Good stuff Ryan!

Dude the power is great! It feels so good and these EFRs spool up quick. I'm guessing you saw the plot in the build thread but for some reason the boost isn't in that plot from Vlad. Here is the same one but with boost and AFRs. I'm really interested to see how it feels with the 6spd and diff. I'll be following along on your build as well!
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...781511edb7.jpg


knnstr Sep 5, 2021 11:33 PM

Bit of an overdue post.

​​​​​​FInal parts are trickling in, but I already have what I need to get the engine reassembled.
  • Supermiata rad came in a couple weeks ago
  • Flowforce R8 coil pack
  • Cold side I/C piping from FM
  • Finally pulled up my boot straps and spent a couple hours to finish lapping the valves
  • Glad I remembered to order a new OEM front crank seal to replace the one that comes with the BE oil pump (thanks @ryansmig )
  • Block back from the machinist bored, decked and cleaned
  • Assembly has started - pistons/rods in

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knnstr Sep 16, 2021 07:04 PM

Well here we go:

I've been a bit busy at work and just a whole bunch of life stuff got in the way.

But anyway, managed to get some work into the assembly.
  • Head bolted on
  • Checked valve lashes, found discrepancies after the supertech Dual spring heavy springs
  • Made a spreadsheet lol
  • BE oil pump front crank seal replaced with new OEM
  • BE oil pump installed
  • Gates waterpump installed
  • Wrinkle painted JDM Square top IM
  • Wrinkle painted valve cover
  • Found a broken cam cap bolt that freaked me out as I was tightening it got loose. Glad it was just the bolt!!

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knnstr Sep 30, 2021 03:11 PM

Unfortunately I ordered the wrong valve shims so it's back to waiting for the correct ones to come through but at least I managed to shuffle them enough so my Intake side is to spec. Progress none-the-less!

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...286658f672.jpg

A couple of cam cap bolts broke as well, a bit concerning so I ordered new ones throughout.

Did some test fitting of the Kraken manifold and EFR so I can check where best to route the oil return lines.

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Then I noticed this. A bit tight for a nut don't you think? 😝
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rwyatt365 Sep 30, 2021 03:27 PM

That one is gonna give you troubles. It's going to have to be the first bolt on with the turbine housing pulled away from the manifold and I'm pretty sure you won't be able to double-nut it like the others. I guess that's just part of "EFR Life".

aphongt Sep 30, 2021 10:26 PM

94 octane? Are you in Canada? If so I'm super curious to see your dyno runs when you're done. I have similar specs and my dyno tuner says he pushed it to the limits at 20psi, but I only squeaked out 280whp uncorrected, 265whp corrected. So I'm curious if our 94 octane just sucks or it's my dyno tuner. I saw charts with comparable builds and I should be atleast 320whp. The only difference is gas quality or the tuner.

knnstr Sep 30, 2021 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by aphongt (Post 1609878)
94 octane? Are you in Canada? If so I'm super curious to see your dyno runs when you're done. I have similar specs and my dyno tuner says he pushed it to the limits at 20psi, but I only squeaked out 280whp uncorrected, 265whp corrected. So I'm curious if our 94 octane just sucks or it's my dyno tuner. I saw charts with comparable builds and I should be atleast 320whp. The only difference is gas quality or the tuner.

Was your tuner able to say what the bottle neck is of your setup? Did he/she find mbt with detcans on the dyno? There are many parameters at play. What was your actual torque at?

Yes, I'm in Ontario and I will definitely be sharing once the setup is dyno'd.

​​​​Ps. Your numbers do seem low, but remember not all dynos are created equal.

allofit Oct 1, 2021 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by rwyatt365 (Post 1609818)
That one is gonna give you troubles. It's going to have to be the first bolt on with the turbine housing pulled away from the manifold and I'm pretty sure you won't be able to double-nut it like the others. I guess that's just part of "EFR Life".

That's how I did it on my EFR/Kraken setup. You won't get a double nut on that one

ryansmig Oct 1, 2021 10:59 AM

Honestly I didn't double nut any of them and have zero issues so far with them backing out or the manifold leaking

rwyatt365 Oct 1, 2021 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by allofit (Post 1609884)
That's how I did it on my EFR/Kraken setup. You won't get a double nut on that one


Originally Posted by ryansmig (Post 1609897)
Honestly I didn't double nut any of them and have zero issues so far with them backing out or the manifold leaking

I haven't double-nutted in...oh, wait...this is MT.net. :jerkit:

allofit Oct 3, 2021 04:23 AM


Originally Posted by rwyatt365 (Post 1609902)
I haven't double-nutted in...oh, wait...this is MT.net. :jerkit:

:bigtu:

knnstr Oct 10, 2021 03:38 AM

Update
Work has been busy but managed to find some time to get the build moving along. Got the car lifted and started getting the old engine prepped for the transplant.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9b4233a66e.jpg
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​​​​​​DId I mention the FM ninja cam tool made the belt job incredibly easy?
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ceb19979b2.jpg

Finalized my intercooler piping setup, Kraken's hotside behind the headlight and FM's to the throttle body.

Blowby will be handled by a breather on the non PCV side then Moroso AOS on the PCV (e-301-13-890).

What's left to do before motor pull:
  1. Exhaust + DP pull
  2. Driveshaft
  3. Starter
  4. Remaining harness on the tranny

knnstr Oct 13, 2021 11:11 PM

Progress. Buddy came by to help pull the motor and tranny

I got to say with the more confined space, the leveler was a huge help and made the job much easier. :party:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...3b8a6242dc.jpg



knnstr Oct 16, 2021 11:15 AM

Started to disassemble the BP4W and got the tranny removed. Helped clarify one of my questions with the 237hp/243ftlbs I was running... Tranny never slipped and it's because the PO had a stg1 FM clutch installed.

I've started planning out the VVT wiring, CAS wiring to the back of the engine and the complete rewrap of the BP4W wiring harness for the BP6D drop into the MSM.

Anything you guys want me to document and check between the BP4W and BP6D?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...013c7e9a4e.jpg


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